I was talking about showing an actual Constitution. The Discovery itself doesn't need any of those changes.
so the producers and writers said that discovery will lead into TOS (60's aesthetics and all)...
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Don't agree. This was kind of disproven in the ENT IaMD episodes. In those episodes the Constitution class ship looked more advanced and futuristic that NX-01.
This is literally just the TMP bridge with some old style viewscreens thrown up on the wall. And the viewscreens are the only thing on this design that actually look out of place.
It seems like you need to get on the same page as yourself. In your first post, you're talking about the visual look matching exactly. You get called out on that. Then, you're suddenly saying that you "actually" meant canon violations. Not exactly the same thing at all.
You're confusing the visual aesthetic with the timeline. Stories can be set in the same timeline yet look different visually. They've got to update things visually and with SFx if they want to retain a modern audience. But, that doesn't preclude using the same timeline.
the SHIP did, yes. Retextured and reskinned, the CG model was something truly to behold.
The bridge set and starship interiors? Not so much. Most of us gave that a pass because of what the show was obviously trying to do timeline wise (hence none of us rolled our eyes when they switched into the period-appropriate Starfleet uniforms; there is literally NO reason for them to wear the TOS style uniforms in this episode but they do it anyway because Fun).
"In a Mirror Darkly" comes so late into the series like it does because it's basically a period piece, with the irony that it's exploring a period in its OWN fictional past. It works as well as it does because everything is SUPPOSED to look dated, because the space warp basically transported the crew into the 1960s version of the Enterprise.
I did mention that on the last page.
reminds me a bit of this early bridge design from star trek 2009:Here's an incomplete render I stumbled upon ages ago but it was titled Pike Bridge and with some either Disco color scheming or TOS color scheming it would really shine as a modern take on the old bridge.
which was discarded because the producers believed it was too slavish to the original design.
To help create enough building blocks for people to suspend their disbelief that this show is in the same universe as "TOS." That of course depends if they care about it really connecting to the those shows in a in-universe way as oposed to connecting simply because they like some of the old concepts and want to try to be spiritually connected to them, which is something different and more along of really being a reboot. Which is not to be confused with a remake were you toss almost everything out and really try something radically different.
Jason
I agree for the most part. I just think "Discovery" has to change slighlty. As the tech evolves in the universe it makes sense to me already established ships might not get the full overhaul but you would see some changes. Yet from a creative level it also has to also look good and not just be done to look more like "TOS." Some seem to think it's impossible to find that mix, which I don't understand because the modern Star Wars movies have done it, but I think it can be done. It's all about using one's imagination instead of just giving up and taking the easy way of just doing the sleek style that any sci-fi show based on a spaceship could do.
Jason
In nuBSG's finale, that's exactly what happens.
The original Earth - from "Revelations" - is not our Earth. It's more like nuBSG's version of "Terra" from BSG-TOS (the home of the Eastern Alliance).
In the series finale ("Daybreak") they DO find our Earth, but it's 150,000 years in the past.
Already there. The 'wild west' approach to the final frontier, Lorca in the mold of many TOS era captains, lots of nods and references to the era (one might say too many), and the more realistic, contemporary crew. I have no trouble feeling this is in the TOS bubble myself. I don't need beehive hairdos and angular plywood consoles to sell that.
For me I think I need the tech touches only because I feel 10 years is just two close to "TOS." If they had bumped this show back even a extra 10 years it would be easier to buy. It doesn't have that "TOS" ability of being so far removed from the other shows that helped make me feel like it might be connected to the Berman years not to mention the various cameo's and guest spots from TOS actors, playing their old characters we saw and the few love letter moments like "Relics" and "Trials and Tribbluations." I do think that if you remove "TOS" it fits very well as a prequel to the Berman era. That's why my gut feeling is that this show was created less about connecting to "TOS" but appealing more to fans who started off being fans of the Berman shows. Which is me in that I became a fan first with "TNG" and then soon got into "TOS" and "DS9" and now I love all the shows and movies, even the ones that I admit are flawed like "Voyager" and especially "Enterprise." I also love this show but it does feel right now to me more like a reboot which is fine with me because I think the Kelvin Universe was also a reboot even though offically it's just a alternate universe and I enjoyed them.
Jason
Actually, only certain characters wore TOS uniforms and there was a reason for it. They were the ones who were wearing EV suits when the Mirror NX-01 was destroyed. Since they didn't need the EV suits anymore, and they had no uniforms with them, they put on the Defiant crew's uniforms since they won't be needing them.
That's not what he said. I agree that it should absolutely not look like TOS, but throwing in the occasional visual similarity to TOS would be a good thing. DIS has done this a few times, take the look of Mudd's wife.
In a broader response to this thread, I know that it isn't so much the case on TrekBBS, but a large portion of fans do care about some level of maintaining continuity and don't want it to be completely ignored simply because it isn't relevant to the story at hand.
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