so the producers and writers said that discovery will lead into TOS (60's aesthetics and all)...

[Ithekro]

I could see Starfleet interiors becoming more colorful post-war. The uniforms as well as the era changes. Maybe the Starfleet decides that the Constiutions don't need to be the only ones with the special uniforms anymore and everyone gets them (with some grumbling from the Constitution-class crews and any other people who were in some sort of special forces units....like when the US military stated to make the black berets as standard rather than special duty)

 

[ralfy]

Maybe they'll reboot TOS featuring actors from the recent movies. The same actors can appear as guest stars in latter episodes of STD. It can also be explained that any new tech from STD were buried and forgotten temporarily in the first few movies but return in latter ones.

 

[Satron]

Also known as the original timeline.

I'm in the camp of those who accept that Enterprise was set in a timeline created in First Contact.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Your camp isn't canon.

 

[Satron]

Your camp isn't canon.

No Trek has been produced that takes place after Enterprise and is clearly set in the original timeline to confirm that the events from ENT lead to TOS. As things are there is no indication that DSC is part of the original timeline.
I can accept Disco as a continuation of First Contact/ENT-timeline. Only here the Narada/Kelvin incident never happened. The Disco-Klingons shoot that idea to bits unfortunately.

It is perhaps easiest to view STD as another reboot.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Nope. It's prime timeline canon.

 

[cultcross]

Strictly speaking it isn't canon that ENT led to TOS - as canon is what is stated/shown on screen. However, it is canon that the Pegasus incident in TNG took place in the same timeline as ENT, thanks to TATV, so it is at the very least pretty bloody close to the same timeline.

 

[Satron]

Strictly speaking it isn't canon that ENT led to TOS - as canon is what is stated/shown on screen. However, it is canon that the Pegasus incident in TNG took place in the same timeline as ENT, thanks to TATV, so it is at the very least pretty bloody close to the same timeline.

TATV? There is no such thing as TATV. And if there is it's heresy to talk about it.

 

[WraithDukat]

Your camp isn't canon.

And frankly quite pathetic.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

i watched that episode when it aired with someone who knew nothing about star trek. he thought it was terrible, did not understand that it was an homage. i have the feeling the same would be true of the wider audience today.

there's a reason the producers of discovery adopted (or coopted) the look of the kelvin timeline films: that's what most people associate with the franchise these days. they can inch closer to TOS, add some color to the displays, evolve the uniforms toward the more classic look, but there's no way discovery will slot into visual continuity with the original series the way the star wars prequels fitted with the classic trilogy, or rogue one lined up so beautifully with a new hope.

I feel that's what upsets the fans fixated on visual continuity. Disney allowed ROGUE ONE to heavily reuse the dated 70s aesthetics from the original STAR WARS, but DISCO won't be given that same luxury by CBS.

If DISCO could, I'd imagine taking the bridge but updating it tastefully to make it believable futuristic. Make more use of those flatscreen monitors above the consoles, which were always just static images on the old show. No need to bring back that paper printer that was only seen in "The Cage". Have those pilot turtlenecks, but update them in a way where they're more refined and look like they fit great on everyone, while some crew members in the pilots looked baggy.

Maybe this is where this show will head towards, but still modernized with stuff like a view screen window.

 

[cultcross]

And frankly quite pathetic.

Not a necessary comment, thanks. If you disagree, you can argue the point.

 

[Satron]

And frankly quite pathetic.

If we let our imagination play and entertain the idea that First Contact splintered the timeline we'd have a very nice and tidy explanation and excuse for all the changes and necessary real-world updates for pre-TOS designs for modern audiences in ENT.

 

[WraithDukat]

If we let our imagination play and entertain the idea that First Contact splintered the timeline we'd have a very nice and tidy explanation and excuse for all the changes and necessary real-world updates for pre-TOS designs for modern audiences in ENT.

Yes, but really when did getting every tiny little detail right become so important? There are endless errors even in TOS.

 

[Satron]

Yes, but really when did getting every tiny little detail right become so important? There are endless errors even in TOS.

You are a Star Trek fan and you have to ask that question? I find your lack of detail-porn obsession disturbing.

 

[zar]

No Trek has been produced that takes place after Enterprise and is clearly set in the original timeline

Actually, there have been five.

...Six.

 

[fireproof78]

Actually, there have been five.

...Six.

"Five. Jonathan Archer is dead to me."

With due respect to SF Debris.

 

[OpenMaw]

Actually, there have been five.

...Six.

Enterprise(1), A(2), B(3), C(4), D(5), E(6).

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Strictly speaking it isn't canon that ENT led to TOS - as canon is what is stated/shown on screen. However, it is canon that the Pegasus incident in TNG took place in the same timeline as ENT, thanks to TATV, so it is at the very least pretty bloody close to the same timeline.

Not necessarily. The odd looking corridors on the Enterprise-D, the fact that both Riker and Troi are a lot older than they were during the original "Pegasus," the fact that TATV doesn't actually fit anywhere in this episode, and the presence of a second Riker in Ten Forward (Tom?) could mean that TATV actually takes place in an alternate version of the TNG timeline anyway.

That or TATV itself isn't actually part of the Enterprise timeline at all and none of the events we saw actually happened because the simulation is based on a novel Trip wrote after he retired.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I feel that's what upsets the fans fixated on visual continuity. Disney allowed ROGUE ONE to heavily reuse the dated 70s aesthetics from the original STAR WARS, but DISCO won't be given that same luxury by CBS.

At the risk of starting a flame war, this is mainly because the 70s aesthetics from Star Wars were good enough that they wouldn't look alarmingly obsolete (with a little touch up, of course) to modern audiences. Take the Millennium Falcon, for example: the original ship and interiors still look good enough that they could be reused in "Force Awakens" and "Last Jedi" with relatively few changes. The Imperial Star Destroyer got a massive redesign too, but ultimately the BASIC design was still sound enough that the design was mostly a redetailing that nobody really noticed.

For that matter, even the 1970s Star Trek sets were good enough to pass for "modern" well into the mid 90s, which is why those sets kept getting reused again and again in films and even in TNG.

It's not the ERA of the sets that's the problem, it's the fact that the original TOS sets and ship designs looked incredibly cheap and unconvincing compared to pretty much all of their predecessors and wouldn't hold up nearly as well in the context of what television and film science fiction has become since then. This is mainly because the original TOS sets really WERE incredibly cheap and wouldn't be replaced with "modern" sets until TMP.

Really, the nostalgia for the 1960s aesthetic is like a graduate student handing in his thesis and having his professor ask him about that book report he forgot to finish back in 5th grade.

If DISCO could, I'd imagine taking the bridge but updating it tastefully to make it believable futuristic. Make more use of those flatscreen monitors above the consoles, which were always just static images on the old show. No need to bring back that paper printer that was only seen in "The Cage". Have those pilot turtlenecks, but update them in a way where they're more refined and look like they fit great on everyone, while some crew members in the pilots looked baggy.

That's pretty much exactly what the Kelinverse movies did, remember? If anything, we'll get something very similar to THAT design, assuming CBS doesn't just strike a deal with Paramount and borrow those sets outright.

 

[Tuskin38]

Plus Star Wars isn't trying to look like humanity's future.