So long, George

[SeerSGB]

existing IMAGINARY facts.

Beat me too it. There are [hundreds of] thousands of pages of SW lit and game resources out there-- much of it contradictory. It is completely unrealistic to expect a movie or TV production to be beholden to every little tiny detail of it.

Nor should they be. Especially if it's tiny.

And regarding the Mandalore thing. Perhaps they changed the "facts" from the EU for the Clone Wars because it would be more EFFECTIVE to use the Mandalore's to tell the story, rather than creating a new planet, a new race to satisfy the needs of the few.

I thought it was just to piss of Karen Traviss and those with a hard-on for the Mandolorians in her books?

 

[Professor Zoom]

Beat me too it. There are [hundreds of] thousands of pages of SW lit and game resources out there-- much of it contradictory. It is completely unrealistic to expect a movie or TV production to be beholden to every little tiny detail of it.

Nor should they be. Especially if it's tiny.

And regarding the Mandalore thing. Perhaps they changed the "facts" from the EU for the Clone Wars because it would be more EFFECTIVE to use the Mandalore's to tell the story, rather than creating a new planet, a new race to satisfy the needs of the few.

I thought it was just to piss of Karen Traviss and those with a hard-on for the Mandolorians in her books?

Maybe that was just a perk.

 

[Broccoli]

It does not take throwing out or screwing up previous canon to create a [Good] story. A talented writer would be able to produce a good story while still remaining true to existing facts. It's been done. The inability to do so, and its attendant lack of thoughtfulness and creativity, is not the mark of good writing; in fact, quite the opposite.

existing IMAGINARY facts.

Beat me too it. There are [hundreds of] thousands of pages of SW lit and game resources out there-- much of it contradictory. It is completely unrealistic to expect a movie or TV production to be beholden to every little tiny detail of it.

Even the prequel films didn't give two shits about it and crafted their own story.

 

[SeerSGB]

Lucas's biggest mistake was ever letting LFL licensing start the whole "it's all canon...somehow" bullshit.

 

[milo bloom]

It does not take throwing out or screwing up previous canon to create a [Good] story. A talented writer would be able to produce a good story while still remaining true to existing facts. It's been done. The inability to do so, and its attendant lack of thoughtfulness and creativity, is not the mark of good writing; in fact, quite the opposite.

existing IMAGINARY facts.

I have to agree with Set Harth. I derive far more pleasure from a work that fits with pre-established "facts", (even if you have to smudge a few things), than something that's supposedly in the same world, but is absolutely destroys something that came before.

 

[SeerSGB]

It does not take throwing out or screwing up previous canon to create a [Good] story. A talented writer would be able to produce a good story while still remaining true to existing facts. It's been done. The inability to do so, and its attendant lack of thoughtfulness and creativity, is not the mark of good writing; in fact, quite the opposite.

existing IMAGINARY facts.

I have to agree with Set Harth. I derive far more pleasure from a work that fits with pre-established "facts", (even if you have to smudge a few things), than something that's supposedly in the same world, but is absolutely destroys something that came before.

At what expense to the viewers that don't know this stuff? A work can get to caught up with trying to fit everything together at the expense of their audience.

 

[Set Harth]

existing IMAGINARY facts.

Are you trying to tell me the saga is FICTIONAL?

I guess that's why I referred to writing.

Even the prequel films didn't give two shits about it and crafted their own story.

Senator Palpatine and Coruscant are two big shits. Bail Antilles may be a little shit, but he's still a shit. That makes at least three shits.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

Do you think that, in the event of The Phantom Menace 3-D's huge success, he'll forget he ever said any of this?

I sure hope so. Personally I hope George pays attention. The wind is shifting when it comes to perspective on the PT and has been for some time. Maybe not around here but this board is a haven for stubborn old farts. This thread on TF.N gives me hope for the future of SW fandom.

Wait... you're saying the theforce.net gives you hope for the future???

Way to not read what I wrote. You're in no danger of making me look stupid by proving you can't read. Anyway the thread I linked to is a far more intelligent discussion about Lucas and the PT than this thread is. It's also a far more mature group of SW fans than the ones who post on TrekkBBS. It gives me hope that Star Wars fandom is moving beyond the stupid "Lucas raped my childhood" bullshit.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Maybe George was right...

Lo and behold, Red Tails looks like a hit! Does this make up for Jar-Jar?

Looks like the boy has a future in movies after all. (That is, if the numbers hold up and aren't just a result of George busing in an audience.) He should do more movies on neglected subjects that Hollywood is too imagination-deprived to tackle and turn Star Wars over to Dave Filoni and the rest of the Ewoks.

 

[DarthPipes]

I saw Red Tails today and I really enjoyed it. Not perfect, to be sure but a pretty fun movie with some great aerial battles.

 

[Broccoli]

Even the prequel films didn't give two shits about it and crafted their own story.

Senator Palpatine and Coruscant are two big shits. Bail Antilles may be a little shit, but he's still a shit. That makes at least three shits.

No.

Lo and behold, Red Tails looks like a hit!

Yet, the reviews are terrible.

 

[stonester1]

Yeah, saw the advance reviews of Red Tails. This bums me out, as I was looking forward to it.

But will still see it, as always, make up my own mind.

 

[DarthPipes]

That's always the best thing to do. On Rotten Tomatoes, the critical average was poor but it had a 75% positive from audiences who voted on the site.

 

[Anwar]

Poor Cuba Gooding Jr, he just can't seem to find any good movies anymore...

 

[Lookingglassman]

What a whiner. If I created Star Wars I wouldn't care what people nitpicked and whine about it. It is my creation and if I want to make some long eared donkey looking thing and name it Jar Jar then I will dang well do it! It is obvious these crybabies spent money on the movies because he is a billionaire and if he made the last three in the trilogy and had Jar Jar running around with a diaper on his head while X-wings shot lasers at Tie Fighters then he would make billions more.

 

[Professor Zoom]

existing IMAGINARY facts.

Are you trying to tell me the saga is FICTIONAL?

I guess that's why I referred to writing.

I KNOW, it IS fictional. Sometimes it's a shock to some fans.

And with writing comes REwriting. And sometimes things get REwritten. Especially when it crosses mediums, like from books that few people read, to TV shows that many people watch.

 

[lennier1]

Even the prequel films didn't give two shits about it and crafted their own story.

Senator Palpatine and Coruscant are two big shits. Bail Antilles may be a little shit, but he's still a shit. That makes at least three shits.

No.

Lo and behold, Red Tails looks like a hit!

Yet, the reviews are terrible.

Sadly that doesn't really surprise me. The trailer made it look like a Michael Bay movie instead of something that might be worth watching.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

What a whiner. If I created Star Wars I wouldn't care what people nitpicked and whine about it. It is my creation and if I want to make some long eared donkey looking thing and name it Jar Jar then I will dang well do it! It is obvious these crybabies spent money on the movies because he is a billionaire and if he made the last three in the trilogy and had Jar Jar running around with a diaper on his head while X-wings shot lasers at Tie Fighters then he would make billions more.

I don't think he's a whiner because he's grown sick of the personal attacks on his character. If you don't like his films fine. If you don't agree with choices he makes that's fair. But all the attacks on his integrity as a human being are just sociopathic. I've seen more hate directed at George Lucas for making movies than I've seen directed at bin Laden who plotted the deaths of thousands.

Can you blame Lucas for no longer wanting to be the target of a bunch of emotionally stunted, verbally violent fucktards?

"Oooh, look at me! I have a computer and the ability to exaggerate my opinion through hyperbole! Watch me pretend to be cool and trendy by agreeing with a verbose and virulent minority! I'm the voice of the LCD pretending to be the elite! I'm partying like it's summer 1999! Lucas raped my childhood, blah, blah, blabbity-blah!"

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Red Tails seems to be holding up...

Right now the pic appears very frontloaded but could keep surprising by flying towards $20M because of its ‘A’ CinemaScore from audiences.

CinemaScore is a survey of audiences who just saw a movie - so it looks like RedTails is well regarded by the sorts of people who would go to see it, which of course is a very different thing from film critics. I'll probably give it a rental.

Lucas may have stumbled across an under-served market niche - old-fashioned-style movies for domestic American audiences. Hollywood is very focused on fantasy-based blockbusters that play well internationally. Lucas has the resources to ignore the financial imperatives that drive the rest of the industry to keep making a narrow range of movie types.

 

[sidious618]

I'm happy to see that Lucas' movie is doing well as I appreciate the point he's trying to make with the film. Plus, I've always liked Lucas and I think he gets a lot of unfair shit thrown his way. The fact that people bother his daughter on twitter is even more disturbing to me. Get a fucking like indeed, right?