Except, it's not a new ship. Shaw said he's commanded the Titan for the past five years.
So is Capt Shaw the new, reigning biggest a##hole in Trek?
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Massive unused luxury quarters, or a store room for emergency extra torpedoes?
As has Kirk the Enterprise before the refit in TMP.
And it would have taken energy and personnel from the ship to do so just to accommodate two unofficial visitors. Shaw may not have deemed it necessary or warranted.
He actually didn't have to invite them to dinner at all, if that was the case. I don't think there's any argument that Shaw isn't a member of the Picard & Riker Fanclub, but their arrival on the Titan was totally at their own volition, not Starfleet's. They basically barged their way onto the ship.
And yet Riker said the Titan had a new ship smell. So either she's a new ship or a newly-refitted ship, that could still mean that some of the ship's interior could yet to be fully utilized.
kind of a stretch to normalize this behavior. it clearly was meant to be seen as abnormal. I don't (hope anyway) think he's going to some villain, just the kind of guy who never wipes his butt or takes a shower and expects everyone to treat him with the respect he never gives anyone else, but at the time time, trying to justify him is reaching hard.
Not at all. It's just that Shaw isn't fawning over Picard & Riker and worshipping the very air they breathe. He may come across as rude as a result, but the Titan is his ship, not theirs.
he should have pissed in the turbolifts and rubbed himself on all the towels. it would have been more subtle.
It ain’t about subtle. It’s TV show shorthand for “here’s an asshole” (with multiple, obvious assholish traits). You (the audience) need to think of him as an asshole (oops—mission only partially accomplished, it seems) so his “conversion to good guy” is all that more “shocking” (which it won’t be, because Star Trek). No more thought has been put into it than that.
All visiting admirals are evil.
Shaw is sick of giving these buggers the benefit of the doubt, and he still got pantsed.
Shaw is sick of giving these buggers the benefit of the doubt, and he still got pantsed.
One thing Shaw was right about is Malbec (even if he did pronounce it wrong)
I wonder what types of wine Picard makes. Im hoping he is also cool enough to grow some Malbec.
I wonder what types of wine Picard makes. Im hoping he is also cool enough to grow some Malbec.
There is one thing that make me wonder if Shaw even serious with his job. Look at him. He was only come to the bridge when he realized that his ship is out of course. He prefers to spent his time more on the dining table and his bedroom. Eating and sleeping. Rather than oversee his ship operation from the bridge. He's lazy and incompetent.
I'm sure that If Shaw does his job seriously, Seven won't have any chance to trick him. Like in episode 1.
I'm sure that If Shaw does his job seriously, Seven won't have any chance to trick him. Like in episode 1.
I mean, that's realistic for real life navies, the XO would have the bridge most of the time unless the captain is actually needed.
In the other series in movies we're always seeing situations where the captain would actually need to be on the bridge.
Shaw wasn't needed for any of the instances we saw in this episode.
In the thread for "The Next Generation" it's mentioned that, according to Todd Stashwick himself, Shaw is a captain who WILL help you out and WILL do the right thing - if you're straight with him. If you give Shaw all the information you have, he'll have your back.
I think that's the core of why Shaw comes across as a dick. He just doesn't like being LIED to. I think we can all sympathize with that. If Picard and Riker had been honest with Shaw from the get-go, none of this would have happened.
@Brainsucker, no, I don't think Shaw is lazy or unprofessional just because he's not on the bridge all the time. As has been pointed out, it's RARE for a captain to be on the bridge as much as we keep seeing Our Heroes do.
I think that's the core of why Shaw comes across as a dick. He just doesn't like being LIED to. I think we can all sympathize with that. If Picard and Riker had been honest with Shaw from the get-go, none of this would have happened.
@Brainsucker, no, I don't think Shaw is lazy or unprofessional just because he's not on the bridge all the time. As has been pointed out, it's RARE for a captain to be on the bridge as much as we keep seeing Our Heroes do.
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Watching Shaw reminds me of a loss prevention officer I worked with in a retail store. He stated that if you stole from the company but cooperated with the investigation, and were willing to make things right he would give his support. But, if you lied to him there would be no helping coming from him and your life would be miserable.
One comment I saw on this scene elsewhere was that Shaw is basically reacting the way other captains wanted too in the face of pushy admirals or bureaucrats, like Kirk vs. Barris in Trouble with Tribbles. And in those instances the audience would side with Kirk, or the other captain, because the admiral is being pushy and telling the captain of the ship what to do.
Now, the shoe is on the other foot, if we'll pardon the archaic idiom. Riker and Picard have no authority over Shaw, the Titan, or his mission. His standing orders would remain in place unless give a good cause to deviate from them. If Picard and Riker had been forthcoming then perhaps he would have acquiesced. As it stands Shaw strikes me as Kirk in TOS. Following orders if they made sense, and being irritated when pushed around by admirals.
One comment I saw on this scene elsewhere was that Shaw is basically reacting the way other captains wanted too in the face of pushy admirals or bureaucrats, like Kirk vs. Barris in Trouble with Tribbles. And in those instances the audience would side with Kirk, or the other captain, because the admiral is being pushy and telling the captain of the ship what to do.
Now, the shoe is on the other foot, if we'll pardon the archaic idiom. Riker and Picard have no authority over Shaw, the Titan, or his mission. His standing orders would remain in place unless give a good cause to deviate from them. If Picard and Riker had been forthcoming then perhaps he would have acquiesced. As it stands Shaw strikes me as Kirk in TOS. Following orders if they made sense, and being irritated when pushed around by admirals.
I wonder why Picard and Riker weren't straight with Shaw right off the bat. Did they take Beverly's "trust no one" warning too literally? I mean, I can see why they wouldn't go to Starfleet Command, but surely it would have been in their best interests to, you know, not yank Shaw's ship right out from under him?
Because he's Starfleet. Same reason they didn't tell the truth to Seven until she confronted them.
"Too literally?" How is taking this threat too literally? if they tell Shaw, and Shaw is, by his own admission, by the book officer, he would report the course change up the chain of command for their deviation from their course and timeline to return to their original mission.
This is why I’m so curious to learn why Shaw was unpleasant to Riker and Picard from the get-go. I completely understand that he would push back on them throwing their weight around and assuming he would cater to their out of nowhere change in plans. However, upon their arrival, one might reasonably assume they were just two retired or semi-retired men looking to recapture a bit of their glory days. Definitely banking on their consequence to be accommodated last minute and one might presume not actually there to inspect but rather perhaps to be pampered a bit and to reminisce about past adventures and see the stars stream by. An encumbrance, certainly, to a man focused on his duties but nothing more. Or is Shaw genre-savvy and knows that the main characters have arrived with action and danger not far behind?
I mean, he calls it out specifically that his current mission is not that exciting, and not what Picard and Riker are known for, with action and explosions. So, yeah, I think their reputation precedes them in terms of the more action oriented missions they had had in the past.
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