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SNW is the best (new) Trek since DS9

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Different uniform colors. Different accents. Different personalities. O. . . . . . k.

I have several questions, but then you're a soldier not an historian, to butcher a DS9 quote ;)

In my defense, I had no idea what these characters looked or sounded like. I had just seen the names, and McCoy sounded like a Scottish name to me, so I assumed Scotty was their nickname. :shrug:

Back then, the only TOS characters I could've named on sight were Kirk, Spock and Uhura. Probably could've guessed Sulu though.
 
It's probably not as good as DS9. It might not even be as good as TNG.

But it's my favorite Star Trek since TAS. (Or The Voyage Home if we count the movies.) It's the first Star Trek since 1986 that I want to live in.
 
In my defense, I had no idea what these characters looked or sounded like.
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Back then, the only TOS characters I could've named on sight were Kirk, Spock and Uhura. Probably could've guessed Sulu though.
Likely Chekov as well. It starts to make sense. And to be fair, at first, I had Chekov and Sulu conflated for a very brief period: both in the same color uniform, both rarely seen away from the helm/navigation console.
 
I've honestly tried to look at Voyager in a better light, and the show certainly has its moments, but in the end I always look back on it with disappointment over what it could have been with its premise…

A lone Starfleet ship stranded 70,000 light-years from home, with little hope of making it back.

But instead of letting that isolation create tension, desperation, or moral compromise, they kept things perfectly status quo. The ship never looked worn down, and the crew acted like they were still in the comfort of the Alpha Quadrant. Such a complete waste.

Enterprise actually embraced its premise... eventually. The crew felt inexperienced and vulnerable in deep space, and the show leaned into the sense that Starfleet was learning how to survive in hostile territory.

In regards to the characters, the word that comes to mind is static. Aside from her hairstyle, Janeway changes very little throughout the show. There’s very little, if any, character growth across seven whole seven seasons. The same can especially be said of Chakotay, Tuvok, Paris, and even the supposedly rebellious Torres.

By comparison, Archer shows significant growth, becoming far more pragmatic and hardened over the course of the series. T’Pol goes through a genuine emotional journey. Trip learns to deal with grief and trauma and comes out a better person for it.

Voyager essentially became TNG 2.0, perfectly clean and sanitized, even in terms of its characters. Interpersonal conflict was kept to an absolute minimum. It felt safe and predictable.

Enterprise was willing to let characters disagree, hold grudges, make mistakes, and carry those consequences forward into later episodes. It gave them texture and made them feel like actual people.

The Voyager characters often felt boiled down to a single trait:

Janeway was the determined leader.

Chakotay was the ever-loyal XO.

Tuvok was the logical Vulcan.

Paris was the roguish pilot.

Kim was the green rookie.


The Doctor and Seven were the few that managed to break free from this mold.

Enterprise gave its characters more complex identities:

Archer wasn’t just The Captain, he could be idealistic, petty, reckless, or compassionate depending on the situation.

T’Pol was logical, yes, but also conflicted about her place among humans.

Trip wasn’t just The Southern Engineer, he had ambition, humor, and deep emotional beats.

Phlox and Malcolm even managed to have some interesting character traits.


Sure, Hoshi and Mayweather were a little one dimensional, but had the series gone on, I’d like to think they would have had their moments.

Yes, I’m aware that many of these issues were the fault of UPN. Voyager’s episodic reset button was no doubt forced on them. But it was still incredibly frustrating that even when something dramatic happened, by the next episode it was like nothing had changed.

Is it?

I kind of feel like a lot of people have given Enterprise a second chance since it ended and have come to appreciate it far more.
I'd love to give Hoshi some new dimensions. That girl is just blazing hot.
 
For my money, Prodigy is the better show to claim the "best since DS9" title. But, SNW is definitely in the top five.

I just find it too damn anachronistic, too short a run (10 episodes a season is a crime) and the fact its so directly linked to the worst ever show of Trek doesn't help matters.
 
Prodigy is a cartoon.

So because it's animated it automatically makes it ineligable? I too think Prodigy is the best Trek since DS9, but then I also liked Voyager and Enterprise so the basis of this argument isn't really correct either. I do think SNW has had a disappointing Season 3 so far and hopefully the final two episodes are good quality. They need to finish strong.
 
SNW and PRO are the best Trek of the Streaming Era, bar none. The latter's sophistication of writing and character development in spite of being a Nickelodeon co-production and aimed heavily at young viewers speaks very highly of its quality.

The show made Chakotay interesting and engaging.

Chakotay.

PRO deserves the Silver Medal and to stand on the podium.
 
So because it's animated it automatically makes it ineligable?
Yes.

If people like it, fine it's simplistic and superficial - but ranking it against live film aimed at adults makes as much sense as throwing TV sitcoms and comic books into the Best Picture category at the Oscars.
 
For TV/Streaming Star Trek series:

1. TOS / SNW (Depending on my mood that day.) :)
2. TAS
3. ST: D Season 2
4. DS9 Seasons 3 - 7
5. ENT
6. TNG
7. The rest of it...EXCEPT...
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99999+ VOY (And I only saw 3 episodes of Prodigy before I dropped it - it's mostly Janeway so I have it in the same bucket as VOY) :barf:
 
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