SNW is the best (new) Trek since DS9

[Starflight]

Best of the CBS Treks, nowhere near the quality of Voyager, probably on par with Enterprise season four (which was my least favourite one).

Still two seasons left for them to move that ranking up, though!

 

[donners22]

I prefer at least the first couple of seasons of Disco over SNW, but otherwise I agree; they're my top two since DS9. The comedy misses more than it hits for me, which drags it down a bit, and I'm not keen on Spock's portrayal. Other than that, it's great.

 

[HotRod]

Best of the CBS Treks, nowhere near the quality of Voyager, probably on par with Enterprise season four (which was my least favourite one).

Still two seasons left for them to move that ranking up, though!

Everyone’s entitled to their opinions, obviously. But the idea that anyone could find Voyager better than Enterprise? That just shocks the hell out of me. Sure, Enterprise stumbled a bit in its first two seasons, but at least it gave us main and recurring characters who actually had personalities. By season three, the writing had caught up with the show’s gorgeous production values, and suddenly we had a series with real stakes. Then season four rolled in and gave us top tier world building and stories that actually mattered to the larger Star Trek franchise

Voyager, on the other hand, served up some of the blandest characters in Trek history. It was TNG lite, without the charm, depth, and somehow with even more technobabble. What's depressing is that it had such an amazing premise, that was quickly abandone. Even the sets felt like they were designed by committee.

Sorry, but I just have to defend Enterprise over Voyager whenever someone makes a comparison.

 

[Mudd]

Everyone’s entitled to their opinions, obviously. But the idea that anyone could find Voyager better than Enterprise? That just shocks the hell out of me. Sure, Enterprise stumbled a bit in its first two seasons, but at least it gave us main and recurring characters who actually had personalities. By season three, the writing had caught up with the show’s gorgeous production values, and suddenly we had a series with real stakes. Then season four rolled in and gave us top tier world building and stories that actually mattered to the larger Star Trek franchise

Voyager, on the other hand, served up some of the blandest characters in Trek history. It was TNG lite, without the charm, depth, and somehow with even more technobabble. What's depressing is that it had such an amazing premise, that was quickly abandone. Even the sets felt like they were designed by committee.

Sorry, but I just have to defend Enterprise over Voyager whenever someone makes a comparison.

I have to agree.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I quite like it. Best of the post Berman shows and better than at least three of the Berman shows. Maybe even four.

 

[Michael]

Everyone’s entitled to their opinions, obviously. But the idea that anyone could find Voyager better than Enterprise? That just shocks the hell out of me. Sure, Enterprise stumbled a bit in its first two seasons, but at least it gave us main and recurring characters who actually had personalities. By season three, the writing had caught up with the show’s gorgeous production values, and suddenly we had a series with real stakes. Then season four rolled in and gave us top tier world building and stories that actually mattered to the larger Star Trek franchise

Voyager, on the other hand, served up some of the blandest characters in Trek history. It was TNG lite, without the charm, depth, and somehow with even more technobabble. What's depressing is that it had such an amazing premise, that was quickly abandone. Even the sets felt like they were designed by committee.

Sorry, but I just have to defend Enterprise over Voyager whenever someone makes a comparison.

I genuinely love Enterprise and its characters (didn’t originally but learned to love it when I returned to it a few years later; kind of the classic story by now, I guess), but I really think you’re short-changing Voyager, because I didn’t find its characters to be bland at all. At least not any blander than the ones on Enterprise, I guess. I mean yeah, for every Chakotay you have a Mayweather on one end of the spectrum, but then you also have an iconic character like Janeway — which some love to hate, I get it, but you certainly can’t deny the pop-cultural impact of the character, which I don’t think has an equal on Enterprise, again, as much as I love Archer and the others.

I think like Deep Space Nine before it and then Enterprise after it, Voyager has a really strong premise and while it certainly came short of executing it ideally, I was still happy to be there for the entire journey. I feel similarly about Enterprise, which is as flawed as Voyager when it comes to making true on its original premise.

I also can’t deny that nostalgia probably plays a big role in how I’m assessing these shows: Deep Space Nine and Voyager are the Trek shows of my childhood. They are what made me a fan initially. Enterprise on the other hand came out when I was a young adult and for the first time I was more interested in doing what young adults do instead of watching Trek. So I guess I just don’t have – and never could have – the same kind of fond memories for Enterprise as I do for its predecessors.

In the end it just comes down to personal preference, I’m sure. I’ll give you that, though: As much as I love Voyager‘s 90s aesthetic, Enterprise is definitely the superior show visually. They poured their combined learnings from three Trek shows into the creative side of Enterprise, and you can really tell.

 

[Noname Given]

Best of the CBS Treks, nowhere near the quality of Voyager, probably on par with Enterprise season four (which was my least favourite one).

Still two seasons left for them to move that ranking up, though!

For myself - I found VOY the only franchise Trek series I couldn't finish (and still haven't) - when it was in first run syndication, I stopped watching after S2 The 37's because of the (IMO) hackneyed character writing - I mean Janeway was written as bi polar one week will to sacrifice everyone for the sake of the holy Federation Prime Directive and the next week throwing the PD out the airlock because one of the main characters was in peril.

And let's not talk about all the Maqui crewmen just suddenly falling in line - yeah they grumbled a bit at that start but by mid season one, they were all happy Federation crewmembers again for the most part. Yes, the writers took a very interesting aspect and threw it out the airlock fast.

And yeah the scene in The 37's where I finally said enough is enough was when Janeway walked into the Cargo Hold where crewmen who wanted to stay behind on the planet populated by Earthlings taken and left there by aliens and they'd built a very Earth like society; and NOT ONE crewmember was there. Now yes, I could see possibly all the Federation crewmembers sticking with the ship, but NOT ONE of the Maqui (who were still said to be facing trial and possible imprisonment if they made it back to the Alpha Quadrant in their lifetime...yeah, bullshit.

I was done.

And I've tried a few 'recommended' episodes from friends over the years, but no, nothing has changed my opinion about VOY - and yes, I've seen Threshold (where Paris and Janeway ultimately make a litter of supposed highly evolved and intelligent Lizard babies...) and yeah, after that I wonder how in the Hell Brannon Braga kept his job.

For me, VOY is still the worst Trek franchise series to date.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I would agree that SNW is the best ST series that isn't made available by advertiser-supported broadcast over the public airwaves (with PIC and LD tied for second). And it's certainly right up there with TOS and TNG in terms of entertainment value.

But I liked VOY somewhat better than I liked DS9. Even before it became dominated by the Dominion War, and by Dukat hooking up with Pah-Wraiths, DS9 tended to get mired in political intrigue, which is not my thing. VOY was about a Starfleet crew trying to get home without betraying everything Starfleet stands for in the process, and encountering lots of Strange New Worlds, New Life, and New Civilizations in the process.

 

[Tinker Garak Soldier Spy]

I'm not an young person (mid forties) but I've only become a Star Trek fan within the last decade (thanks to Discovery of all things). I've absorbed every show at a rapid rate, watching them multiple times over the last several years, while remaining free of the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia, and without a doubt my favorite Trek is DS9 (I mean duh, just look at my username). SNW is an infinitesimally close second. So I guess this topic resonates with me, yeah.
Make of that what you will, coming from someone who legitimately thought Scotty and McCoy were the same character until I saw the 2009 Star Trek movie

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Make of that what you will, coming from someone who legitimately thought Scotty and McCoy were the same character until I saw the 2009 Star Trek movie

Different uniform colors. Different accents. Different personalities. O. . . . . . k.

 

[fireproof78]

Make of that what you will, coming from someone who legitimately thought Scotty and McCoy were the same character until I saw the 2009 Star Trek movie

I have several questions, but then you're a soldier not an historian, to butcher a DS9 quote

 

[Starflight]

I mean Janeway was written as bi polar one week will to sacrifice everyone for the sake of the holy Federation Prime Directive and the next week throwing the PD out the airlock because one of the main characters was in peril.

This is also the case with Kirk and Picard, especially Kirk, and I'd argue Janeway is much more consistent than either of them from the second season onward.

Something I think people miss about Voyager is that it's deliberately going for an upbeat, pulpy tone - the scene where nobody wants to stay on the Earhart planet is dumb if you take the show literally, but a lovely emotional beat if you're on board with the mood the show is embodying. It's meant to all be heightened reality and serve as a vehicle for high-concept sci-fi adventure stories, often (though not always) with a lighthearted feel, and it does it better than any other Star Trek except perhaps TOS (Deadlock, Distant Origin, Living Witness, Blink of an Eye, The Thaw...)

I get what you're saying but wanting Voyager to be less breezy and genial, and more grounded/realistic, is like wanting TOS to be less psychedelic, TNG to have more fights among the crew, latter-era DS9 to be a sitcom, SNW to stop doing genre-hopping, or Picard S2 to be good.

 

[Commander Richard]

Lots of good Trek in between.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Funny
Adventurous
Nice space battles
Great writing and acting.

Trying my best to get my hair like Pike.

Seconded.

Not perfect, but damned good.

LD & PRO were also very good IMHO. But 30 min animated is a bitcdifferent than 1 hr live. Though the 20 episode seasons for PRO kind of balanced it out.

I have a feeling Spick gives up on emotions because something bad happens to La'An.

 

[Photon]

I'm not quite sure that was the OP's intent, but consider the source.

Anyway, the only show of the five CBSTrek shows that I really liked better than Berman Trek was Prodigy. Is it better than DS9? I don't think so. But it's definitely a good show.

Sorry if the post didn't meet your high standards Sheldon.

 

[BillJ]

Eh. I prefer the Abrams films to both of them.

 

[Photon]

Everyone’s entitled to their opinions, obviously. But the idea that anyone could find Voyager better than Enterprise? That just shocks the hell out of me. Sure, Enterprise stumbled a bit in its first two seasons, but at least it gave us main and recurring characters who actually had personalities. By season three, the writing had caught up with the show’s gorgeous production values, and suddenly we had a series with real stakes. Then season four rolled in and gave us top tier world building and stories that actually mattered to the larger Star Trek franchise

Voyager, on the other hand, served up some of the blandest characters in Trek history. It was TNG lite, without the charm, depth, and somehow with even more technobabble. What's depressing is that it had such an amazing premise, that was quickly abandone. Even the sets felt like they were designed by committee.

Sorry, but I just have to defend Enterprise over Voyager whenever someone makes a comparison.

Gilligan's Island in Space=Voyager. Stupid premise.

 

[cooleddie74]

Lots of good Trek in between.

Yeah, there are almost no Trek series I categorize as personally mediocre and largely avoidable. The Classic Era contains none (though a couple are not high on my rewatch lists), and just two in the Streaming Era fall into that ranking.

 

[tomalak301]

I like the animated shows better than SNW right now. There are good things about this series, but it could be better.

 

[V'Lias]

I was more interested in doing what young adults do instead of watching Trek.

Wait, I was watching Star Trek then too. What was I supposed to be doing?!