Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)
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Technically, that was introduced in the animated series ("Counter-clock Incident", and the one where they all shrink).
Or how Transporters can be used to de-age you... ("Rascals"?) 
Hitler hates transporters.
OMG I finally Godwinned this thread!
OMG I finally Godwinned this thread!
I went back to EAS and I wasn’t disappointed - get a load of this: Now he’s saying the bridge window is half-recessed into the saucer (basement-window style) and it’s a “VFX error” that you can see space and the saucer out the bridge window.
If Bernd truly believes that it was the intention of the writers/directors/vfx people to have the window half buried in the saucer (thus 100% defeating the point of having a window on the bridge!) he has truely lost it. I could get it if he just said the window is too small on the outside, but this?
If only his site had a sense of humor it could be great.
Bernd may dislike the reinterpretation of Star Trek ships, sets, characters and technology, but the way he’s treating it (totally ignoring the big-ship intentions of the writers/directors/etc to make it fit into his version of what Trek should be) people aren’t going to be able to use his site as a serious/accurate/reliable STXI reference, thus defeating the whole object of his website.
If Bernd truly believes that it was the intention of the writers/directors/vfx people to have the window half buried in the saucer (thus 100% defeating the point of having a window on the bridge!) he has truely lost it. I could get it if he just said the window is too small on the outside, but this?
If only his site had a sense of humor it could be great.
Bernd may dislike the reinterpretation of Star Trek ships, sets, characters and technology, but the way he’s treating it (totally ignoring the big-ship intentions of the writers/directors/etc to make it fit into his version of what Trek should be) people aren’t going to be able to use his site as a serious/accurate/reliable STXI reference, thus defeating the whole object of his website.
This is my disappointment as well. If Bernd dislikes the film so much, the way to deal with that which preserves the integrity of his up-until-now very useful site is to announce on the front page that he doesn't deal with the film at all and that folks looking for info on it should seek elsewhere. What he's doing right now is nonsense.
Proof positive that the JJ-prise is no larger than the TOS 1701:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2826096&postcount=57
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2930319&postcount=228
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2826096&postcount=57
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2930319&postcount=228
Honestly, do you feel better that you are on the larger ship bandwagon? Just because he doesn't believe the ship to be that large, does that mean that suddenly his point of view is not valid? He has his own website which he updates on his own, at his own expense. He doesn't share your point of view but that doesn't entitle you or anyone to ridicule him. Not meaning to be preachy, but I have a big problem with he flack that Bernd has recieved over this. It's his website and his point of view, he's entitled to his opinion. I find his site to be just as useful now as it ever was. You dont have to agree with every one of his viewpoints, but you can not debate the fact that he spends WAAAY more time analyzing the size of these ships and does a great service to the Star Trek fan community by providing a website at his own expense that everyone of us has visited and found useful at some point. Next time anyone wants to criticize him for his views, why dont you step back and make your own website and see how people treat you.
Proof positive that the JJ-prise is no larger than the TOS 1701:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2826096&postcount=57
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2930319&postcount=228
That's not proof positive. That is two toys placed side by side. One of which has a scale listed on the box, the other does not. What does that prove? Absolutly nothing.
Proof positive that the JJ-prise is no larger than the TOS 1701:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2826096&postcount=57
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2930319&postcount=228
That's not proof positive. That is two toys placed side by side. One of which has a scale listed on the box, the other does not. What does that prove? Absolutly nothing.
Someone needs their sarcasm detector fixed.
Proof positive that the JJ-prise is no larger than the TOS 1701:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2826096&postcount=57
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2930319&postcount=228
That's not proof positive. That is two toys placed side by side. One of which has a scale listed on the box, the other does not. What does that prove? Absolutly nothing.
Someone needs their sarcasm detector fixed.
Agreed
Yes, that was posted in jest. Of course the toys are not the same scale...
...it's getting WAY too serious around these parts...
"Point of view" and "logic" are two different things. Bernd feels that the Enterprise SHOULD be smaller, because the original was smaller--that is his point of view. His argument for insisting that it IS smaller--that is to say, his logical analysis--is incomprehensible and increasingly fatuous.
It's one thing to treat Star Trek like a TV religion and then bitch about perceived heresies. But if you're going to do that, you need to at least take one of the show's most cherished memes to heart: it is better to dispassionately accept the most logical conclusion, regardless of your personal feelings or subjective point of view.
I totally agree. I think Abrams & Co. are now just trying to save face by saying "It was always meant to be that big"
On another note. Looking at the top view now, it appears as if they flipped the warp nacelle struts from the Refit on the NuE.
No, they didn't flip the struts, just reversed the taper on them.
And it also occurs to me that the upscaling may have been intended to justify increasing the shuttlecraft complement on the ship. It seems to me those shuttles should get quite a bit of utility in the new universe, with transporters being used to move small objects or small groups of people quickly and the shuttles being used for heavier duty.
And it also occurs to me that the upscaling may have been intended to justify increasing the shuttlecraft complement on the ship. It seems to me those shuttles should get quite a bit of utility in the new universe, with transporters being used to move small objects or small groups of people quickly and the shuttles being used for heavier duty.
This is your opinion...There is no need to continually make jabs at someone because they do not agree with the large majority of the posters on this board. I disagree with him on the size of the ship, but I still appreciate his website and continually visit the site because I find many of his articles to be insightful and helpful. Posts that attack him upset me because to me whoever does that just comes off as a bully.
On his site, he gives his reasoning for listing the ship to be slightly over 300 meters, but he does acknowledge the problems that presents in regards to what we have seen on screen. If you look at his site, one of the main purposes of the site is to make everything consistent across the Star Trek universe so a ship of over 700 meters is obviously going to cause problems with this. At the end of the day though, you can visit his site or not, but if you don't agree with him leave it at that. The guy hasn't posted on here for awhile, yet some people feel the need to continually attack him. That's just wrong.
Well said, Mangledduk! I wish there was a karma system in place here, because you deserve some up-votes. The way people have turned on Bernd has me looking at this tight little community with an expression that says, "Ick, they eat their own!" There's just too much preference for snarky cheap shots instead of good manners.
I think the real point is that Bernd has spent a great deal of time, effort and probably money in creating a very credible and very detailed Star Trek reference website, but he's doing himself no favors by taking the stances he has toward the current movie and particularly toward the nuEnterprise. Where everything had previously been subject to verification and, in the face of new information, revision, what he's doing now has too much the appearance of someone confronted with a thing he does not want to accept, reacting to it by sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling at the top of his voice "La la la la la la la, I can't hear you! If I can't hear you, then I don't have to believe it's truuuuue!" It's that credibility he's worked so long to establish which is taking a hit, no matter how good the rest of his site remains.
Dennis was right when he said that if Bernd didn't want to accept the details of the Abrams version of Star Trek, and indications continue to be that such is the case, then the best thing for him to do would have been to draw a thick black line after Nemesis and Enterprise and say "That's it. This is as far as my site goes."
This is the edge of the map. Past here there be monsters.
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