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Me too.
Here too.
Hmm Where's Preator? can't call this thread closed with out him!
Hope your wrong, but you might be right.
Here we go...
darkwing_duck1
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Make it stop...good Lord in Heaven, MAKE IT STOP!
Here we go...
Hallelujah brutha!!
Burn this motherf---er down! Close it!
Hmm Where's Preator? can't call this thread closed with out him!
Say, that's nice of you.
Count me in, too. Dead and dead. Nuke this thread from orbit! (It's the safest way.)
Hmm Where's Preator? can't call this thread closed with out him!
Say, that's nice of you.
Count me in, too. Dead and dead. Nuke this thread from orbit! (It's the safest way.)
Can a dose of Red Matter be used instead?
Wouldn't this thread just die if people stopped posting to it all the time?
And I am getting tired of your extreme lack of ability to properly read what someone else wrote without distorting it into sheer stupidity.
I am NOT ignoring canon data ... plus if you want to get detailed over what MA says about the matter stream, then here it is:
The matter stream was used to transport objects by dissolving them into energy; this energy was transported via the matter stream and reassembled into the object again onto the transporter platform.
It's essentially a 'conduit' (if you will) used to transfer energy (initially converted from matter) and re-assemble it back into matter, FROM energy on a different location ... how does that differentiate from what I said apart from the fact I left out the 'matter stream' bit since it was self implied it was a method of moving the energy from one location into the other?
You seem to enjoy putting words into other people's mouths because I never stated that SF does not utilize backups for backup systems or said that there is never a need for such systems.
What I said was that they have computers and maintenance people who monitor crucial systems on a regular basis to make sure that everything works ... the simple matter of me leaving out the 'backups for backups' is an entirely different thing that I didn't think was needed to be mentioned as I'm well aware of O'Brien's canon statement in DS9 that they use backups for backups.
As for replicators ... a detailed definition of a replicator was not established on screen ... at least not that I can recall (if it was, please let me in which episode was this done).
They WERE mentioned to operate on principles like transporters though.
However, when it comes to creation of an object, nothing on-screen (as far as I saw) really supports the hypothesis that a replicator needs pre-existing matter to create an object ... just energy.
Why don't people in that case put some kind of matter into replicators before ordering a meal so they can first recycle it into their meal or a desired object?
If you tell me that they could use the recycled waste ... yes, it's possible, but on-screen evidence actually shows that what they do with the waste is recycle it into energy in late 24th century and not just break down matter into base elements and re-assemble it into something else because that's just the same process used in Kirk's era with the addition of a transporter effect which is also a higher drain of power and materializes an object instead of shoving it into the slot.
Also, what happens to the objects they decide to recycle?
Visual evidence suggests it get's disassembled into energy which is then stored in the replicator system for further use.
However, if you show me canonical (on-screen) evidence that supports your opinion, I'll gladly admit I am wrong.
Torres for example explained a recycling process clearly in episode 'Night' and that they do break down for example residual anti-matter on a subatomic level.
The radiation is absorbed by various radiometric converters ... in essence, they recycle the energy which is then used to power ship systems.
So matter conversion process is involved ... but what I got from that is that they switched entirely to energy as means to replicate an object.
Even Data in one TNG episode mentioned they don't have the power needed to create complex elements (while this doesn't necessarily exclude the pre-existing matter ... per dialogue alone, it does alude that what they need is power/energy ... and not raw matter to work with).
Raw matter could be used in a recycling process to create the needed energy, but I do not think it was mentioned that in the 24th century replicators use matter to create an object ... just energy which was got either from the main power source or from recycling process of a different object.
By extension ... since TM's are NOT canon, they cannot be used as reference material at all.
In my post, I stated that TM's are not canon to begin with, and that what was established on-screen contradicted them on more than one occasion.
But I digress ... we are beating a dead horse with a stick indeed.
I won't continue this discussion and further derail a thread got it's response to the original question.
M'Sharak already tries to show off his/her power of moderation enough without people ASKING for threads to be closed.
Why close a thread? There may be something new to discuss in three days, if Paramount release more info for instance. Why censor a topic of conversation? Want this thread to die? Don't post in it then
Why close a thread? There may be something new to discuss in three days, if Paramount release more info for instance. Why censor a topic of conversation? Want this thread to die? Don't post in it then
darkwing_duck1
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Which was incorrect and in conflict with the other sections, if you'd bothered to look at the embedded links. Thank you for bringing it to my attention however, so the article can be fixed.
HERE are the relevent citations:
No, the matter stream is the actual matter OF the transportee, broken down into sub-atomic particles, but still physical matter.
And those backups require storage for the matter they are backing up (water, O2, etc).
Here:
There was also an episode of DS9 where Jadzia was covering for Rom and had to fix Quark's replicator. When she opened the unit up, it was filled with ooze, which was raw matter stock (must have sprung a leak somewhere).
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sewage_and_waste_reclamation
Anti-matter is NOT energy. It is negatively charged MATTER.
Which is why their information is not part of the 'canon' section of the article, but is instead set off by itself.
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