'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XI

[jamestyler]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

This review is ridiculous. In my opinion, some feminists are ridiculous. Looking good has never interfered with having a brain or being a strong person. And that counts for females as well as males, even though feminists often forget males exist as well.

Which is why I hate feminists. Most feminists I've come across don't want equality, they want absolute power and dominance in all things. I had one shouting in my face about my company booking a girl in tight clothes to work for us - that she was treated as nothing but a sex object.

The girl was portraying my body guard and I was wearing, essentially, my pants. Hardcore feminists lost the plot a long time ago and are better off ignored.

I never looked at her as a weak character when she didn't fight in the bar scene. What I didn't appreciate is that they didn't write her in a way that got her out of the "person in the back who answers phone calls" role. She doesn't do ANYTHING the moment she takes her bridge post.

Theres a scene after Spock and Kirk head to Narada. She enters the bridge and she has a line that made me think "Hey, no one left you in charge..."

As for not doing anything. She's a linguist. And a comms officer. There wasn't much demand for her in her role outwith the reasons she took the post, but being the emotional bridge for Spock was a very vital role.

Just because she's not supergirl doesn't make it sexist.

 

[Cakes488]

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Yeah people have romances but for fucks sake this is STAR TREK...based on TOS. Not as the space ship turns...so I don't need these intership romances...you wanna bring romance in..FINE...but have it be with another cadet or crewman....that way they can also introduce someone new to the cast...

So if Uhura had a relationship with a crewman, that would be okay?

Yes...that would be OK!

I don't agree that Uhura's role in this film was as a "romantic lead". Her relationship with Spock was explicitly hidden to us for about half the film, until that scene in the terminal. And even then, it wasn't in-your-face. It was secondary and surprising. Uhura mostly acted as a foil to Kirk -- a young, extremely talented cadet who followed the rules. And had no patience for Kirk.

Yes it was hidden...for shock value...everyone I went with was shocked....most were accepting so I realize I'm in the minority here about this "romance" ..but a few were not.

I really love all this veiwpoints from you men bitching about feminists who are bitching...because you're all missing the point point point. Maybe you can't GET the point because ur men....

Again my main complaint is not the uhura bra scene... I mean LOL that's pretty tame compared to even just the music video that are out.......but that coupled w/ this ridiculous affair -- I just don't think this character is getting the respect she deserves.

Christ, girl. On the contrary I don't think YOU get it. Obviously you don't.

The bra/undressing scene aside, Uhura is shown as an intelligent, forthright, sensitive and compassionate woman. She is also shown as someone who knows what she wants and she gets it.

I fail to see what's wrong with that. Seems like she's getting plenty of respect to me.

No I get it...but we just have a difference of opinion and sometimes people will never agree...so do you agree with that LOL?

I really love all this viewpoints from you men bitching about feminists who are bitching...because you're all missing the point point point. Maybe you can't GET the point because ur men....

Again my main complaint is not the Uhura bra scene... I mean LOL that's pretty tame compared to even just the music video that are out.......but that coupled w/ this ridiculous affair -- I just don't think this character is getting the respect she deserves. I'm not saying that she should just say "hailing frequencies open capt"...lord no...she finally has a real role !!!!!!! And what the fuck do they have her doing...RIGHT AWAY...in a got damn romantic lead...right away...couldn't even wait for the next movie. That's my main gripe.

I don't believe "ur" is a proper word. What is "got damn"?

LOL I know u must be kiddin right?? Oh yeah that's right your one of those spelling *censored*. You're not bothering me with this if that's what you're trying to do...but it's a pity that you have nothing to actually say -- well at least your consistent about that. Kisses xooxoxoxox

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

You know? Thinking about it I realize I have more respect for the women on Star Trek, because they're wearing miniskirts.

Why? Because it means that in the future, most people don't fall into the same trap as today: that intelligence precludes attractiveness and the other way around.

In the age of cavemen? Perhaps. The man had to hunt all day; he couldn't make time to think or he'd be dead. And the women couldn't make time to dress themselves up or their boatload of infants would starve. Nowadays, that no longer applies. We have free time on our hands. Free time to choose.

I have respect for people who are intelligent. But, the most intelligent people also spend the less amount of attention to their own looks. I also have respect for people who look good. But, the best looking people also spend the least amount of time on their intelligence. But the most respect I reserve for those who do both.

Respect doesn't detract. It adds up.

So to those feminists who believe the miniskirts to be a bad thing: Stop trying to lessen their position and the respect they deserve; it doesn't better yours.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

It's not spelling, it's grammar. I find that people take one more seriously when one applies the rules of grammar in correct fashion. As a feminist, you should know how hard it is, sometimes, for us to get taken seriously.

Seriously, lol and 111!1 and whatever doesn't help if you don't want people to patronise you. And most replies to your posts make sense, so people do have something to say on this, men and women alike.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

Yes...that would be OK!

Oh, all right. Then I agree with you. The fraternization rules in the military have never made much sense too me.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

So, Uhura should be completely asexual?

Star Trek was never afraid to show women as sexual. Same goes for men.

Gene Roddenberry said something like this (Inside Star Trek):

Yes, I treat women as sex objects. But, to be fair, we also treated MEN as sex objects. I like being treated as a Sex Object. It's great fun !!!

Also, Starfleet is NOT the Army. It has it's military portions, but not everyone on a ship is a fighter. There are a lot of Engineers etc.

Uhura just doesn't have the Testosterone that makes guys like Kirk and Cupcake get into a brawl.

 

[Overgeeked]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

I really love all this veiwpoints from you men bitching about feminists who are bitching...because you're all missing the point point point. Maybe you can't GET the point because ur men....

Again my main complaint is not the uhura bra scene... I mean LOL that's pretty tame compared to even just the music video that are out.......but that coupled w/ this ridiculous affair -- I just don't think this character is getting the respect she deserves. I'm not saying that she should just say "hailing frequencies open capt"...lord no...she finally has a real role !!!!!!! And what the fuck do they have her doing...RIGHT AWAY...in a got damn romantic lead...right away...couldn't even wait for the next movie. That's my main gripe.

Agreed. It's just another example of the dumbed down Trek. The heart and soul of Trek is enlightened, secular humanism, which includes equality for all (women too guys). I'd really like for my daughter to have a strong female role-model that doesn't show her tits, or fuck one of the MCs. It would be nice if there were such a female character in this movie, but that's why I have Voyager.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

Agreed. It's just another example of the dumbed down Trek. The heart and soul of Trek is enlightened, secular humanism, which includes equality for all (women too guys). I'd really like for my daughter to have a strong female role-model that doesn't show her tits, or fuck one of the MCs.

I'm all for equality, but you seem to forget that an enlightened, secular humanistic society doesn't paint people the way you'd apparently like. Equal? Yes. Genderless? No. There's a difference there.

Besides that, I have never seen someone in Star Trek show her tits or fuck, as you say, on screen. So, logic suggests every female character in Star Trek is a good role-model for your daughter, even Uhura. Perhaps especially Uhura, since she's such a strong, intelligent and attractive character.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

I really love all this veiwpoints from you men bitching about feminists who are bitching...because you're all missing the point point point. Maybe you can't GET the point because ur men....

I'm going to make an attempt at understanding your broken 'English'. We do get the point even with our limited male brains. Makes you wonder how we dress ourselves in the morning.

Again my main complaint is not the uhura bra scene... I mean LOL that's pretty tame compared to even just the music video that are out.......but that coupled w/ this ridiculous affair -- I just don't think this character is getting the respect she deserves. I'm not saying that she should just say "hailing frequencies open capt"...lord no...she finally has a real role !!!!!!! And what the fuck do they have her doing...RIGHT AWAY...in a got damn romantic lead...right away...couldn't even wait for the next movie. That's my main gripe.

There was no "romantic lead" in this movie. There was Uhura, the ship's communications officer who proved to be exceptionally skilled at her job and whose detection of the Klingon transmissions pretty much saved Earth, and Spock, the ship's first officer.

It is ridiculous to suggest that Uhura can't be competent at her job and also carry on a romantic relationship at the same time. They weren't having an "affair", they were a couple. They presented Uhura as someone Spock could turn to when his home had been brutally destroyed and his mother killed. You don't do that with someone you just had a one night stand with.

As for the general subject of this thread, I'm getting monumentally pissed off with this crap. If Uhura had participated in the bar brawl I would have thought a lot less of her. She's not a thug. Uhura has always been presented as someone who could look after herself but she doesn't need to get in to bar brawls to prove it.

The article's line about Uhura being in a heterosexual relationship is ridiculous as well. When has Uhura ever been presented as something other than straight ?

Uhura wears a skirt in the movie and that's bad because Starfleet is a military organisation. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, W-R-O-N-G! Watch Star Trek. It might teach you a thing or two about, erm, Star Trek.

Uhura wears a (whispers) bra in the movie. I thought women wore those. Maybe I'm wrong. Both incarnations of Uhura were played by attractive woman, but it seems some people think she should wear a burqa while on duty.

So, the long and short of my argument here is that the author of this article either needs psychiatric help or a set of TOS DVDs - or perhaps both. Got to do something while you're sitting around in a straight jacket waiting for Nurse to deliver your pills.

 

[Cakes488]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

It's not spelling, it's grammar. I find that people take one more seriously when one applies the rules of grammar in correct fashion. As a feminist, you should know how hard it is, sometimes, for us to get taken seriously.

Seriously, lol and 111!1 and whatever doesn't help if you don't want people to patronise you. And most replies to your posts make sense, so people do have something to say on this, men and women alike.

People need to get off the spelling and grammer ooooooooooops grammar dick

Just a heads up for you...we're on a message board...so this isn't reality..I'm taken seriously just fine thank you ma'am....

Another thing...I don't really care what people think about me...I'm very secure w/ myself so they...you...can talk whatever shit you like and it doesn't bother me. But I will speak up whenever and however I like...sorry if it doesn't reflect well on you. So maybe I should get myself in a mini skirt so I can be taken seriously LOL. And since you don't like it...one more LOL.

I have a wicked sense of humor and very sarcastic... I love to joke around.....I'll use LOL whenever I see fit. I also use it to indicate that what I'm saying in fact a joke and/or being sarcastic.

Also you have gotten off topic with this post...so please stick to the topic...

 

[CommanderRaytas]

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Really, what does equality have to do with viewing people of the opposite sex as sexual objects? Why is my drooling over men better than the other way around? Equality is that I can do what I want without being called a slut. But hormones are hormones and accepting that doesn't have anything to do with sexism.

Women and men are equal, but they're not the same. If they were, not only would it be boring as hell, but we as a species would not exist.

Star Trek showed Uhura in underwear, but Kirk as well, and that in the same scene, without any one of them commenting on it. What's dumb about that? I don't get it.


O and cakes, really, let me put it another way: you want a discussion? Write in a way that won't make people's eyes bleed. You think that just because this is a message board you don't have to make yourself understood? Then I don't see the point of posting here at all. It doesn't make you look good, let alone give your argument much credibility.

No offense, this isn't supposed to be a personal insult at all, just a piece of advice.

I like people who need to elaborate on their refined sarcasm.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

People need to get off the spelling and grammer ooooooooooops grammar dick

Just a heads up for you...we're on a message board...so this isn't reality..I'm taken seriously just fine thank you ma'am....

Another thing...I don't really care what people think about me...I'm very secure w/ myself so they...you...can talk whatever shit you like and it doesn't bother me. But I will speak up whenever and however I like...sorry if it doesn't reflect well on you. So maybe I should get myself in a mini skirt so I can be taken seriously LOL. And since you don't like it...one more LOL.

I have a wicked sense of humor and very sarcastic... I love to joke around.....I'll use LOL whenever I see fit. I also use it to indicate that what I'm saying in fact a joke and/or being sarcastic.

Also you have gotten off topic with this post...so please stick to the topic...

Your abuse of the English language causes your attempts at discussion to become unclear. I assume you are not posting using a phone and that you have a full QWERTY keyboard in front of you ? If so, there is no excuse for not using complete sentences.

Really, what does equality have to do with viewing people of the opposite sex as sexual objects? Why is my drooling over men better than the other way around? Equality is that I can do what I want without being called a slut. But hormones are hormones and accepting that doesn't have anything to do with sexism.

Women and men are equal, but they're not the same. If they were, not only would it be boring as hell, but we as a species would not exist.

Star Trek showed Uhura in underwear, but Kirk as well, and that in the same scene, without any one of them commenting on it. What's dumb about that? I don't get it.

It is as sexist as it gets to assume that Uhura can't be good at her job and also be an attractive woman.

As for Kirk's partner in the whole underwear scene business, knowing how Orion females operate, who says he was the one in control ? As far as we know, she was actually raping Kirk using her natural ability to make males open to suggestion. Perhaps I should write a masculinist blog post about that.

 

[John Picard]

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Really, what does equality have to do with viewing people of the opposite sex as sexual objects? Why is my drooling over men better than the other way around? Equality is that I can do what I want without being called a slut. But hormones are hormones and accepting that doesn't have anything to do with sexism.

Women and men are equal, but they're not the same. If they were, not only would it be boring as hell, but we as a species would not exist.

Star Trek showed Uhura in underwear, but Kirk as well, and that in the same scene, without any one of them commenting on it. What's dumb about that? I don't get it.

Never wrestle with a pig, because the dirtier you get, the more the pig loves it.

 

[Kane_Steel]

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Star Trek is about hope for the future..


Thank you Abrams for showing us a future where feminists no longer exist :P



But seriously, most of the females of this movie were nothing but eye candy; but I'm not complaining..

They kept it true to the Original Series.

It was actually ALOT worse in TOS.


And they stayed true to Uhura's character, they didnt turn her into something completely unfamiliar... or fans would have been upset.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

So maybe I should get myself in a mini skirt so I can be taken seriously LOL.

Do post a picture.

 

[Trekker4747]

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I have a wicked sense of humor and very sarcastic... I love to joke around.....I'll use LOL whenever I see fit. I also use it to indicate that what I'm saying in fact a joke and/or being sarcastic.

Marry me.

 

[AlanC9]

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Ergo - young men fight in bars. It's a guy thing. Hopefully potential mates are watching and will be impressed with their obvious fitness. They'll mate with just about any chick that meets their minimum standards.

Young men really do this? Really? I've never seen a bar fight in my life. Well, I saw a guy get stabbed at the Spring Lounge in NYC, but that's not quite what you're talking about... at least, I hope it isn't. As for whether that sort of crap impresses women, I'll leave that to women posters.

 

[Jeyl]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

It was actually ALOT worse in TOS.

At least Uhura got to take command of the Enterprise in TAS.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

I'm all for being good at my job whilst wearing a mini skirt.

And I'll stop wrestling the pig, then.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

Star Trek is about hope for the future..

Thank you Abrams for showing us a future where feminists no longer exist :P

Damn, you hit the nail right on the head! Thank you Abrams, for showing a better tomorrow. With no feminists. Where people can look good and be strong and intelligent.