Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
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'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XI
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Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
No, you say this character doesn't get the respect she deserves because she's in a relationship. I don't think a relationship has any bearing on the respect people have for a character. Just as looking good does not make people's respect for you any less.
My girlfriend does not agree with you, does that mean she doesn't get the point either? Last time I checked, she's still a woman, you know.
No, you say this character doesn't get the respect she deserves because she's in a relationship. I don't think a relationship has any bearing on the respect people have for a character. Just as looking good does not make people's respect for you any less.
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Really? I thought he looked very nice in his underwear. I was definitely looking more at him than at her.
As for the article, I don't feel like that. In my gender study course, there's always a group of core feminists finding sexism everywhere, but the majority of us don't take everything so damned seriously.
If this matters to you, you don't have to expend enough energy "looking for shit" to get tired (of the looking). It's right there in front of you.
Saldana certainly carried off the underwear look more successfully than Pine did. Skinny boy.
Really? I thought he looked very nice in his underwear. I was definitely looking more at him than at her.
As for the article, I don't feel like that. In my gender study course, there's always a group of core feminists finding sexism everywhere, but the majority of us don't take everything so damned seriously.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
Well, you know - being that humans are animals, we can't separate our genetic imperatives from ourselves, much as we might like to.
Ergo - young men fight in bars. It's a guy thing. Hopefully potential mates are watching and will be impressed with their obvious fitness. They'll mate with just about any chick that meets their minimum standards.
Women make themselves attractive in some way to lure in potential mates. Assuming they get to make the final choice on who they will mate with; it will be a choice for the best potential mate that gives them the best gains.
Feminists try to break all that down and deny it. But it's there, deep in their DNA and in the 2MY history of the species of Man. Feminists play the game - on their own terms and at a time of their choosing - but they play the game too, whether their chosen mate is female or male. They may not be overt in making themselves attractive, but they do make themselves more attractive in some way when the game is on.
Well, you know - being that humans are animals, we can't separate our genetic imperatives from ourselves, much as we might like to.
Ergo - young men fight in bars. It's a guy thing. Hopefully potential mates are watching and will be impressed with their obvious fitness. They'll mate with just about any chick that meets their minimum standards.
Women make themselves attractive in some way to lure in potential mates. Assuming they get to make the final choice on who they will mate with; it will be a choice for the best potential mate that gives them the best gains.
Feminists try to break all that down and deny it. But it's there, deep in their DNA and in the 2MY history of the species of Man. Feminists play the game - on their own terms and at a time of their choosing - but they play the game too, whether their chosen mate is female or male. They may not be overt in making themselves attractive, but they do make themselves more attractive in some way when the game is on.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
I agree it's a better role for Uhura and I don't like the Spock thing...from either angle...Spock needs to be focused on what he does best...which is advising the cappy and being a smarty pants.... This is the star trek I KNOW and it's the star trek I LIKE..maybe not everybody..but me. I realize things have changed but I don't have to like every aspect of it.
Oh come on Borg... you know what I meant when I said affair!
And Kirks always gotten into fights and been a womanizer.....but when he was younger he had less self constraint
I read your whole reply...thank you. But you're still missing the point which I've stated enough....
Yeah people have romances but for fucks sake this is STAR TREK...based on TOS. Not as the space ship turns...so I don't need these intership romances...you wanna bring romance in..FINE...but have it be with another cadet or crewman....that way they can also introduce someone new to the cast...too bad about Robau, I'd like to have seen more of him...much more if u know what I mean wink wink.
But if you don't realize how jealous and catty women can be then you haven't been alive very long. Women are the absolute worst -- are you kiddin...when it comes to tearing down others because of their own insecurities...uh it's pathetic...I'm one of the rare few that has never engaged in that...even in high school I'm proud to say. I can appreciate anothers beauty...even if it's greater than mine because no matter how hot you think you are there is always..always someone hotter.
One man won't do...I tend to require several.
I agree it's a better role for Uhura and I don't like the Spock thing...from either angle...Spock needs to be focused on what he does best...which is advising the cappy and being a smarty pants.... This is the star trek I KNOW and it's the star trek I LIKE..maybe not everybody..but me. I realize things have changed but I don't have to like every aspect of it.
Oh come on Borg... you know what I meant when I said affair!
And Kirks always gotten into fights and been a womanizer.....but when he was younger he had less self constraint
I'm not saying anything; please read my post again: I was asking a question. The question was: Why is it, that of all the women I know, only the ugly ones (in other words: those who themselves are unhappy with their looks) finds Uhura's character to be sexist?
From the others, I've heard more stuff like "I like the eyecandy; Pine and Quinto can stop by my house anytime! Mmmm.." and "I wear miniskirts too, you know, does that make me sexist?".
It's the same in real life: I like to walk a good 10 meters behind my girlfriend sometimes, just to hear the comments (everybody talks behind one's back -- some are just more self-conscious about it). She's not unattractive, and the same applies: Of those who comment, those who look good and get enough attention themselves usually say something like "I like those shoes; gotta see where I can get those". Those who get no attention from the guys at all, are evidently more inclined to say something like "she dresses like a whore" or "what a bitch" or "i hate her". The first time I heard it, I was like... WTFI never realized just how jealous women could be.
To me, it seems like those that are unhappy with their own self-image are unable to objectively look at -- and comment on -- someone who is.
Pike's attractive, Quinto's attractive and Zaldana's attractive. But that doesn't bother me.
I can always turn the question you asked me around: Why does every strong, attractive male lead in a movie has to have a romantic relationship? It's not as if Uhura did it all by herself; Spock joined in, you know. Why did Spock have to have a relationship? To make him more emotional? His script portrayed him as emotional enough, even without the relationship.
And yes, most Hollywood movies have at least one romantic relationship in them. But that's normal, you know, having a romantic relationship. People do that sometimes.
No, I don't mind the 'sexying up' of both Spock nor Uhura.
This review is ridiculous. In my opinion, some feminists are ridiculous. Looking good has never interfered with having a brain or being a strong person. And that counts for females as well as males, even though feminists often forget males exist as well.
I read your whole reply...thank you. But you're still missing the point which I've stated enough....
Yeah people have romances but for fucks sake this is STAR TREK...based on TOS. Not as the space ship turns...so I don't need these intership romances...you wanna bring romance in..FINE...but have it be with another cadet or crewman....that way they can also introduce someone new to the cast...too bad about Robau, I'd like to have seen more of him...much more if u know what I mean wink wink.
But if you don't realize how jealous and catty women can be then you haven't been alive very long. Women are the absolute worst -- are you kiddin...when it comes to tearing down others because of their own insecurities...uh it's pathetic...I'm one of the rare few that has never engaged in that...even in high school I'm proud to say. I can appreciate anothers beauty...even if it's greater than mine because no matter how hot you think you are there is always..always someone hotter.
One man won't do...I tend to require several.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
The fight scene point is silly. Uhura had no reason to want to get involved in the bar fight -- she was smart enough to want to end it, and you don't end something by joining in.
She's right about the underwear scene, at least to a point. It was completely gratuitous, and awfully convenient (for me) that Uhura strips down to her underwear as soon as she walks in. And she does so very systematically, too, removing all over her outer garments at once, instead of, say, removing her bra before removing her skirt. But even in that scene, I think she came across pretty well. She was mostly just angry that Kirk was there, and didn't appear embarrassed, immodest, or victimized by his presence. She took charge and through him out.
Half the time I describe myself as a feminist (when in circles where men are permitted to do so), but I still worry about seeing subtext that isn't there. From what in the underwear scene do we get a negative image about women? Kirk looks like a defensive jackass (which he probably often is) and that's about it.
The fight scene point is silly. Uhura had no reason to want to get involved in the bar fight -- she was smart enough to want to end it, and you don't end something by joining in.
She's right about the underwear scene, at least to a point. It was completely gratuitous, and awfully convenient (for me) that Uhura strips down to her underwear as soon as she walks in. And she does so very systematically, too, removing all over her outer garments at once, instead of, say, removing her bra before removing her skirt. But even in that scene, I think she came across pretty well. She was mostly just angry that Kirk was there, and didn't appear embarrassed, immodest, or victimized by his presence. She took charge and through him out.
Half the time I describe myself as a feminist (when in circles where men are permitted to do so), but I still worry about seeing subtext that isn't there. From what in the underwear scene do we get a negative image about women? Kirk looks like a defensive jackass (which he probably often is) and that's about it.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
So if Uhura had a relationship with a crewman, that would be okay?
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
I don't agree that Uhura's role in this film was as a "romantic lead". Her relationship with Spock was explicitly hidden to us for about half the film, until that scene in the terminal. And even then, it wasn't in-your-face. It was secondary and surprising. Uhura mostly acted as a foil to Kirk -- a young, extremely talented cadet who followed the rules. And had no patience for Kirk.
I don't agree that Uhura's role in this film was as a "romantic lead". Her relationship with Spock was explicitly hidden to us for about half the film, until that scene in the terminal. And even then, it wasn't in-your-face. It was secondary and surprising. Uhura mostly acted as a foil to Kirk -- a young, extremely talented cadet who followed the rules. And had no patience for Kirk.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
Just because one is an independent woman, one must not feel the need to get into fist fights. I'm a loud person who can be very obnoxious, but if I got into a fist fight with a man, he'd have me knocked out on the ground after one second. It's not a question of sexism, it's a question of physical strength.
And not getting into fights doesn't make you weak by anyone's standards.
Just because one is an independent woman, one must not feel the need to get into fist fights. I'm a loud person who can be very obnoxious, but if I got into a fist fight with a man, he'd have me knocked out on the ground after one second. It's not a question of sexism, it's a question of physical strength.
And not getting into fights doesn't make you weak by anyone's standards.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
I never looked at her as a weak character when she didn't fight in the bar scene. What I didn't appreciate is that they didn't write her in a way that got her out of the "person in the back who answers phone calls" role. She doesn't do ANYTHING the moment she takes her bridge post.
Kaleh, the unnamed Romulan in the Countdown comics and the Star Trek ARG event was more interesting and productive than Uhura, and for those who wanted to see women in a fight, Kaleh fought on four people at once!
I never looked at her as a weak character when she didn't fight in the bar scene. What I didn't appreciate is that they didn't write her in a way that got her out of the "person in the back who answers phone calls" role. She doesn't do ANYTHING the moment she takes her bridge post.
Kaleh, the unnamed Romulan in the Countdown comics and the Star Trek ARG event was more interesting and productive than Uhura, and for those who wanted to see women in a fight, Kaleh fought on four people at once!
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Well yes, that scene wasn't sexist at all, because Kirk was just as half-naked, and Uhura was less than impressed with his being there.
Well yes, that scene wasn't sexist at all, because Kirk was just as half-naked, and Uhura was less than impressed with his being there.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
Christ, girl. On the contrary I don't think YOU get it. Obviously you don't.
The bra/undressing scene aside, Uhura is shown as an intelligent, forthright, sensitive and compassionate woman. She is also shown as someone who knows what she wants and she gets it.
I fail to see what's wrong with that. Seems like she's getting plenty of respect to me.
Christ, girl. On the contrary I don't think YOU get it. Obviously you don't.
The bra/undressing scene aside, Uhura is shown as an intelligent, forthright, sensitive and compassionate woman. She is also shown as someone who knows what she wants and she gets it.
I fail to see what's wrong with that. Seems like she's getting plenty of respect to me.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
I don't believe "ur" is a proper word. What is "got damn"?
I don't believe "ur" is a proper word. What is "got damn"?
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
One man won't do...I tend to require several.[/QUOTE]
I love you.
One man won't do...I tend to require several.[/QUOTE]
I love you.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
You won't hear any complaints from me. It would have been a shame seeing THE WOMEN in underwear but not at least one of the hot guys. Though I'd rather have had a Nero-topless scene, but oh well.
You won't hear any complaints from me. It would have been a shame seeing THE WOMEN in underwear but not at least one of the hot guys. Though I'd rather have had a Nero-topless scene, but oh well.
Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII
Is this one of those Antioch University nutjobs?
Eye candy is good as long as it's equal opportunity. I ogle pantsless Lynn Collins, my wife ogles shirtless Hugh Jackman, and the end result is a level playing field. I get annoyed whenever I read angry feminists seeking to abolish said playing field, rather than equalize it. If I lived in a world where everyong dressed likes monks and nuns, I'd probably commit seppuku.
I'm not saying the movie is equal opportunity in that regard, just making a statement.
Is this one of those Antioch University nutjobs?Eye candy is good as long as it's equal opportunity. I ogle pantsless Lynn Collins, my wife ogles shirtless Hugh Jackman, and the end result is a level playing field. I get annoyed whenever I read angry feminists seeking to abolish said playing field, rather than equalize it. If I lived in a world where everyong dressed likes monks and nuns, I'd probably commit seppuku.
I'm not saying the movie is equal opportunity in that regard, just making a statement.
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