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'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XI

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I think the commenter might have a valid point. She needs show me her rack for me to be sure though.
I don't think you'd want to.

Why is it that, of the women I know that have seen the movie, only the two ugly ones find Uhura's character to be sexist? The rest has no problem with the miniskirt, nor the shared room scene. They were looking more at Pine and Quinto and enjoying it.
 
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The blogger doesn't like Uhura and Spock together either. In fact, she said she'd prefer Uhura and "a young Captain Janeway from Star Trek Voyager." That gives you an idea where she's coming from.

Of course, Spock and Uhura is hinted at in early TOS, most notably "The Man Trap" and "Charlie X" -- Uhura flirts with Spock in both of those early episodes.

She also missed that (1) the not all of the Starfleet women wear miniskirts (there are both cadets and officers in pants) and (2) the fashion of the era is much like the 1960s based on the women's clothes in the Iowa bar.
 
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I did not know Star Trek 12 was out yet? May want to fix your title. :)

Sorry, the original title stunk, so I used this attention-getting one instead. I apologize for the typo.

But, I had to post it, because I'm tired of these idiots ranting and raving about popular culture all the time. None of them can write for shit, but they sure can bitch (no pun intended). They know that JJ was going to shake things up, and yet, all they can do is complain because they saw Uhura's....femilumina in one or two shots.

If they think that they can write better than JJ, Orci, & Kurtzman, then instead of ranting on a blog about Uhura's supposedly reduced role, why not try writing a script and get it accepted/published instead of whining their asses off like little babies who want their bottle or their diaper changed? The only problem is, whining is easy-writing a script is really hard, and not always successful. But when does that stop most people whining, or at least make them STFU? Not much, it seems.
 
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1) An intellegent person knows when to not fight, knowing it's wise not to interfere when people are not going to be reasonable or acting like idiots. What would be the point of breaking up that fight if they are fighting for a silly reason in the first place. It would have been a waste of energy for her. I mean it is said a good fighter knows when to fight, and so she is a good fighter.

2) I think that scene was more about Kirk, to show he was rather immature, insecure and lacking direction in his life in the way it was important for him to have conquests (e.g his reaction when the orion slave girl told him he wasn't the only one).

And generally, i thought the Uhura charcter was well written and acted: i did get a sense of the independent, fiesty and professionally excellent acheivements but at the same time she was sensitive to her collegues pain and giving enough to offer to help as she was also aware of his vulnerablity to it due to his restricted emotionally-unpracticed background.

And in the tv series Uhura was very protective and nuturing to her colleges.

So she was a noble dedicated officer thats quite typical of the star trek ideal.
 
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The blogger doesn't like Uhura and Spock together either. In fact, she said she'd prefer Uhura and "a young Captain Janeway from Star Trek Voyager." That gives you an idea where she's coming from.
Hmm, if there's a list of characters on Star Trek that have been portrayed as genderless beings, Captain Janeway rates very high, if you ask me.
 
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Uhura doesn't get into the bar fight because it's stupid and she's a cadet in Starfleet and therefore held to high standards of behaviour. Plus, you know, she might not enjoy getting covered in blood and bruises.
 
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Where are the complaints about Kirk's mini-chub with the Orion girl?

Good grief what nonsense. This puritanical streak is alive and well in the 21st century. At least in the U.S.

And her underwear looked like Soviet-issue Victor's Secret from the 60's, for crying out loud.

Unbelievable.

What nonsense? Please don't say anthing about Kirk's mini chub, I mean LOL it was so mini that I guessed I missed it -- the scales are not even here between men and women as far as nudity etc..in films/media goes...you gonna argue with me about that? Personally I'm no puritan but I can't stand how unequal it all is.

Well, boys will be boys. When everyone in the writing room and the producers' offices are (mostly young) guys, this is what you get - whether it's T'Pol and Trip rubbing one another down or Intendent Kira tongue-wrestling with every hot chick in the galaxy...

Sex sells for men and women. Women just typically don't want to admit. (because soaps are watched only by men, millions of them, all the time...:rolleyes:)

Absolutely sex sells for both men and women...but lets be real here...men are the bigger buyers..waaaaaay bigger -- to compare mens and womens sexual content appetite is ridiculous....as soon as y'all are out of the womb your spend the rest of your lives looking for ways back in :guffaw: now that's a joke but I'm also serious here cuz we all know that's the truth.

Or Kirk making out with women on strange new worlds...

Yeah but that was never a serious plot element...Kirk hit and split -- he had no time for serious romantic bullshit....but of course we all have our needs ;). But he was no slacker...he knew his duty and that was to the Enterprise...his main woman!
 
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Boy, these ladies sure don't get tired of looking for shit everywhere...:rolleyes:

Like any good, self-proclaimed geek, I went out to see the new Star Trek movie this past weekend. It was very enjoyable. The writers put in plenty of tributes to the original series ("I'm a doctor, not a physicist!" lol) as well as some witty lines. The special effects were awesome without being overdone, and the storyline was easy to follow even if you were never a Trekkie.
Also, there weren't *that* many plot holes. I always expect a few plot holes here and there in a movie, but get frustrated when there is one every five minutes. That didn't happen here. Good job, J. J. Abrams.
However, there is one subject that I take issue with. And that is the characterization of Uhura. As many may know, Uhura is famous for being a black woman on the original Star Trek, played by Nichelle Nichols, and also for sharing one of the first interracial kisses with Captain Kirk on tv.
*****SPOILER ALERT!!!!!******
What I don't like about the portrayal of Uhura in the recent Star Trek movie:
1. Uhura can't fight physically.
In the 2009 Star Trek movie, Uhura is cast as an intelligent woman and skilled linguist who adds talent to the crew. She is also cast as a sex pot in a tight skirt!
The first time we meet her in the movie is when Kirk starts hitting on her in the bar and then gets in a fight over her with other space cadets. While the fight is going on, Uhura stands by helplessly in her mini-skirt and her boots, whining, "Stop it, guys. Stop it! Stop it now!" Keep in mind that she's a member of *Starfleet*, which is basically the army.
2. Uhura has an underwear scene.
Then the writers give her an underwear scene. Yup, that's right, the sexy linguist in her underwear. Don't worry, don't be frightened by her awesome language skills, you can see her in her hot underwear, too, and remember that she's just some hot girl that all the cool guys want. *sarcasm*
Really, Abrams? Really, was the underwear scene necessary? I don't think so. I think Kirk could have found out about her Klingon decoding in some other way.
Uhura in the new Star Trek movie


I liked the movie, but she makes some valid criticisms.
 
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No one is saying Kirk is a slacker... :confused:

This movie could easily have been PG as far as both violence and "sex" were concerned, IMO.

Not even a side boob, for crying out loud. Let alone a cheek shot.

But whatever.
 
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Kirk had an underwear scene too. So what?
 
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Maybe that article writer should watch TOS where all Uhura was was "Hailing frequencies open, captain."

Uhura certainly seemed strong and capable -considering how she spurred Kirk's advances- but OH NOES! SHE DIDN'T JUMP INTO A FIGHT WITH FIVE BURLY, STRONG, ANGRY MEN!!!! :rolleyes:

Could she have been stronger? Perhaps. She didn't quite strike me as:

"I'll save you fair maiden!"
"Sorry, neither."

But she was hardly Troi and Crusher fighting off people by smashing pots on their heads.

And, OH NO!! SHE STRIPPED OFF HER SKIRT AND TUNIC SHOWING OFF HER SLIGHTLY SEXY PANTIES AND FAIRY PEDESTRIAN BRA!!

Nevermind the sexy-lingerie-clad green female in the room who was far more chiefly used as a sex-focus. But, no, Uhura getting out of her work clothes in her own bedroom is far worse. :rolleyes:

Oh, and Kirk was in the room too, far less clad than anyone else in the room.

This article is just pure feminist bitching over nothing and just picking nits over tiny things that mean NOTHING.
 
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Yup, that's right, the sexy linguist in her underwear. Don't worry, don't be frightened by her awesome language skills ...

So apparently she's not only a sexy linguist, but a cunning one, as well. No wonder her roommate didn't want her to know about Kirk ... :D
 
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Yup, that's right, the sexy linguist in her underwear. Don't worry, don't be frightened by her awesome language skills ...

So apparently she's not only a sexy linguist, but a cunning one, as well. No wonder her roommate didn't want her to know about Kirk ... :D

Got to your corner.
 
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This argument might actually carry some weight if there wasn't far more eye candy for the women in this movie. They made McCoy and Pike handsome men (when they weren't in the tv show--- at least The Menagerie's radiated Pike). It helps that the two leads are both gorgeous, too.

Spot on but now what would feminists do if they didn't have to time to complain all the time, burn there bra's :rolleyes:
 
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This argument might actually carry some weight if there wasn't far more eye candy for the women in this movie. They made McCoy and Pike handsome men (when they weren't in the tv show--- at least The Menagerie's radiated Pike). It helps that the two leads are both gorgeous, too.

Women routinely need to strip down for roles in movies....usually this nakedness has absolutely nothing to do with the plot or the advancement of it....while men remain mostly clad.

I think the commenter might have a valid point. She needs show me her rack for me to be sure though.
I don't think you'd want to.

Why is it that, of the women I know that have seen the movie, only the two ugly ones find Uhura's character to be sexist? The rest has no problem with the miniskirt, nor the shared room scene. They were looking more at Pine and Quinto and enjoying it.

So what are you saying... that only ugly chicks are offeneded...because their ummmm ugly? First off I don't even think it's that deep that people are really "offended"...but the point is (and you're missing it) that this seems to be par for the course w/ broads in movies...I was hoping Trek would be an exception...but nope they had to have the strong female lead get "romantically" involved...ugh.....she can't just do her damn job and do it well...be a strong woman with all her clothes on and without this ridiculous romanic link.... PERIOD? I realize who's in charge and mostly running the show in H-wood and the world ...and that's men and that's also why this world is so screwed up...no offense to you guys because I really love men -- but it's the truth. So I get it that they want to include some sex in Trek and there has always been in TOS...but for fucks sake leave Uhura out of it!

I did not know Star Trek 12 was out yet? May want to fix your title. :)

Sorry, the original title stunk, so I used this attention-getting one instead. I apologize for the typo.

But, I had to post it, because I'm tired of these idiots ranting and raving about popular culture all the time. None of them can write for shit, but they sure can bitch (no pun intended). They know that JJ was going to shake things up, and yet, all they can do is complain because they saw Uhura's....femilumina in one or two shots.

If they think that they can write better than JJ, Orci, & Kurtzman, then instead of ranting on a blog about Uhura's supposedly reduced role, why not try writing a script and get it accepted/published instead of whining their asses off like little babies who want their bottle or their diaper changed? The only problem is, whining is easy-writing a script is really hard, and not always successful. But when does that stop most people whining, or at least make them STFU? Not much, it seems.


It's sad that you're missing the whole point. Hey I know maybe this blogger is on the rag......I'm guessing that's your next comment. I believe that an "average" person can write a better script than these Hollywood Hacks...I don't believe that every talented writer is currently employed in H-wood...In H-wood it's who you know not how good of a writer are you.
I've already read some ideas etc...on this board that proves this.
 
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I was hoping Trek would be an exception...but nope they had to have the strong female lead get "romantically" involved...ugh.....she can't just do her damn job and do it well...be a strong woman with all her clothes on and without this ridiculous romanic link.... PERIOD?

You could look at it from the other side too - why did they have to put Spock in a relationship? Can't have a logical scientist be a main star without showing his weakness. Why did Kirk have to get in a bar fight? Can't have a leading man not show his manliness through violence.

None of it's perfect, but Uhura's role in this movie is way better than she ever got before.
 
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I really love all this veiwpoints from you men bitching about feminists who are bitching...because you're all missing the point point point. Maybe you can't GET the point because ur men....

Again my main complaint is not the uhura bra scene... I mean LOL that's pretty tame compared to even just the music video that are out.......but that coupled w/ this ridiculous affair -- I just don't think this character is getting the respect she deserves. I'm not saying that she should just say "hailing frequencies open capt"...lord no...she finally has a real role !!!!!!! And what the fuck do they have her doing...RIGHT AWAY...in a got damn romantic lead...right away...couldn't even wait for the next movie. That's my main gripe.
 
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...but that coupled w/ this ridiculous affair...

There is no affair. It looks to me like a mature, adult relationship.

Kirk the bad boy womanizer at the academy is the image to go after, if that's your bent.
 
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Am I to infer from this article that true feminists.

1. Immediately engage in barfights?

2. Never change their clothes?

This review is ridiculous. There is no valid criticism.

1. There is a big difference between can't fight and not jumping in the middle of a juvenille, testosterone filled brawl.

2. So she had an underwear scene. She was getting off work. Besides she is hot. Is it that intelligent women can't be hot or hot women can't be intelligent? Which is the gripe?
 
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I don't think you'd want to.

Why is it that, of the women I know that have seen the movie, only the two ugly ones find Uhura's character to be sexist? The rest has no problem with the miniskirt, nor the shared room scene. They were looking more at Pine and Quinto and enjoying it.

So what are you saying... that only ugly chicks are offeneded...because their ummmm ugly? First off I don't even think it's that deep that people are really "offended"...but the point is (and you're missing it) that this seems to be par for the course w/ broads in movies...I was hoping Trek would be an exception...but nope they had to have the strong female lead get "romantically" involved...ugh.....she can't just do her damn job and do it well...be a strong woman with all her clothes on and without this ridiculous romanic link.... PERIOD? I realize who's in charge and mostly running the show in H-wood and the world ...and that's men and that's also why this world is so screwed up...no offense to you guys because I really love men -- but it's the truth. So I get it that they want to include some sex in Trek and there has always been in TOS...but for fucks sake leave Uhura out of it!
I'm not saying anything; please read my post again: I was asking a question. The question was: Why is it, that of all the women I know, only the ugly ones (in other words: those who themselves are unhappy with their looks) finds Uhura's character to be sexist?

From the others, I've heard more stuff like "I like the eyecandy; Pine and Quinto can stop by my house anytime! Mmmm.." and "I wear miniskirts too, you know, does that make me sexist?".

It's the same in real life: I like to walk a good 10 meters behind my girlfriend sometimes, just to hear the comments (everybody talks behind one's back -- some are just more self-conscious about it). She's not unattractive, and the same applies: Of those who comment, those who look good and get enough attention themselves usually say something like "I like those shoes; gotta see where I can get those". Those who get no attention from the guys at all, are evidently more inclined to say something like "she dresses like a whore" or "what a bitch" or "i hate her". The first time I heard it, I was like... WTF :confused: I never realized just how jealous women could be.

To me, it seems like those that are unhappy with their own self-image are unable to objectively look at -- and comment on -- someone who is.

Pike's attractive, Quinto's attractive and Zaldana's attractive. But that doesn't bother me.

I can always turn the question you asked me around: Why does every strong, attractive male lead in a movie has to have a romantic relationship? It's not as if Uhura did it all by herself; Spock joined in, you know. Why did Spock have to have a relationship? To make him more emotional? His script portrayed him as emotional enough, even without the relationship.

And yes, most Hollywood movies have at least one romantic relationship in them. But that's normal, you know, having a romantic relationship. People do that sometimes.

No, I don't mind the 'sexying up' of both Spock nor Uhura.

This review is ridiculous. In my opinion, some feminists are ridiculous. Looking good has never interfered with having a brain or being a strong person. And that counts for females as well as males, even though feminists often forget males exist as well.
 
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