Should Star Trek just give up?
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I can see a striking difference, in tone among other things. Style as well. But that's just me.
GR though wasn't the "visionary" you make him out to be. First he didn't create Trek to enlighten, its *primary purpose* was to one *entertain* and two hopefully line his pockets as well as get him other gigs along the way. Just like any other tv producer/writer.
Speaking of making music.... well there's no indication GR had any music proclivities he did aspire to write some lyrics for Alexander Courages theme to TOS...
I'm sure JJ can handle it... he seems to grasp the concept of "rabid fans" its not as if he's not dealt with such things before. JJ's only concern is turning out a good film.
And if we're to believe Nimoy this script does "recreate that excitement and magic that was Star Trek".
xortex you might want to calm down, and not yell the sky is falling before you see more of where this is going.
It could be the most Star Trek like thing produced since "Where No Man has Gone Before" or even "The Cage" but you won't know that if you tie-all that Star Trek was or can be into one man and his supposed "genius" at least you know see a trailer first, learn what the story is... that sort of thing.
It could be awful. So far nothing I've heard makes me think it is going to be that.
I was going to say Rick Berman...
Sharr
"Hollywood hacks just recycle stuff and have no imagination, they just "paint by the numbers"."
But basing a screenplay on a prose novel would just be paint by the numbers based on this theory.
Oh, but wait. the comix and prose novels/short stories...S U C K. because...they're not live action :sarcasm:
But basing a screenplay on a prose novel would just be paint by the numbers based on this theory.
Oh, but wait. the comix and prose novels/short stories...S U C K. because...they're not live action :sarcasm:
Right because no one has ever botched adapting a novel to the silver screen before.
Isn't that pretty much what Stan Lee did? I remember Lee saying in an interview that he didn't write all the comic books, his genius was letting the artists do what they wanted and then writing the stories to match what the artists had drawn.
Both pretty smart guys, IMO. And both did kinda the same thing. Come up with the concept and turn good people loose on them. Hillarity and generally good stories insue.
I think the reason that modern writers aren't matching it is because the 1960's were something of an American Renaisance, and those days are gone.
But I'll also point out that J.J Abrams isd not guarenteed to be the Trek Muaddib desined to restore Trek to its former glory. It could be great, it could be Alias in Space on Heavy Doses of Psychotropic Drugs. Relax, have a beer, and wait for the trailer.
Hmmm... Alias in space on psychotropic drugs...
Pink Trek - The Barrier?
Pink Trek - The Barrier?
*sigh*
Ok, go burn some incense at your Gene idol.
I was young once too, and drank the kool-aid, read the gospels of the One True Great Bird. But then I learned how TV is actually made. For the world is hollow, and I have touched the sky.
He did a great thing, and it was lightening in a bottle, in a way. But he didn't do it alone. And over the years, some talented people got slighted because of that, and Trek produced some real crap because it had to have the Seal of Gene on it.
From what I see so far, the new production could very well be an homage to the classic years. And I'd welcome that. Let's wait and see.
Ok, go burn some incense at your Gene idol.
I was young once too, and drank the kool-aid, read the gospels of the One True Great Bird. But then I learned how TV is actually made. For the world is hollow, and I have touched the sky.
He did a great thing, and it was lightening in a bottle, in a way. But he didn't do it alone. And over the years, some talented people got slighted because of that, and Trek produced some real crap because it had to have the Seal of Gene on it.
From what I see so far, the new production could very well be an homage to the classic years. And I'd welcome that. Let's wait and see.
Things are never that simple, xortex. Berman was the one who helped shepherd TNG out of its growing pains, which were made worse by Roddenberry and his attorney Leonard Maizlish.
Three points! :thumbsup:
Must have been an interesting pregnancy...
Look the guy is a genius. I grant you that. He's just more of the Stan Lee kind of genius -- the genius is in the big concept, and then trusting your people enough for good execution. There's nothing wrong with that. It works, and it takes a good basic concept to make it work.
I do have a bit of a problem with people getting screwed out of getting paid (I know the composer was, because if they wrote lyrics, the guy lost the copyright -- so they wrote lyrics. Not classy, IMO. Also a good reason to read the fine print.) I'm not sure how much of trek is one man's idea and how much was group effort. Some of the things sound like they were made up on the set 5 minutes before taping.
Also, I'd point out that your man gene was an atheist, so he wouldn't appriciate being the center of a cult.
On the other hand, some might argue that Gene Roddenberry worshipped Gene Roddenberry. But I'm really not sure about that, so I don't really want to go so far as to say that I would say that.
Well see xortex Rick Berman's failings aren't that he didn't listen and maintain GR's "dream" - Berman's failings are he stuck rather religiously to Gene Roddenberry's commandments about how humans should behave in the future and what that future should be which in many cases caused Berman to come up with mental gymstatics to make Star Trek interesting again.
Basically Berman being to afraid to stray from Gene's "vision" or do anything that might shake it up is what killed Trek. You might say he was to devoted to what GR wanted and it was this that sunk the franchise and why we kept getting TNG clones. In many ways it was Genes directives that "killed Trek".
And you listen to some of the writers they were often constricted from doing anything outside of the "Star Trek box" which I can as a reason why Trek became so paint by the numbers.
Sharr
Well Berman and mental gymnastics just don't go together. By outside of the box you mean outside of gene's universe ? to those people I say create your own universe. We really wouldn't even be here talking about it fourty years later if it wasn't for Gene. Trust me. When somebody does what Gene and Rod Serling did again, call me unless you think that Star wars was better. And Seige, you're too young to be talking about money. In the real world, people do things for money usually.
