Should Star Trek just give up?
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He was just one voice in the choir, but when they released the commemorative CD, he digitally doctored it so that his voice was louder than everyone else's. Also, a lot of people are of the opinion that Gene Coon was the one playing the organ. 
"Beyond the rim of starliiiiight...
My love is wandring in starfliiiiight..."
RookieBatman said:
He was just one voice in the choir, but when they released the commemorative CD, he digitally doctored it so that his voice was louder than everyone else's. Also, a lot of people are of the opinion that Gene Coon was the one playing the organ.
So who was the idiot playing the electric guitar?
Yes, Star Trek should just give up.
I also think the suits that are footing the bill for the movie are morons.
Star Trek Sucks!
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Star Trek should be a TV Series tm. No the suits won't think: "They hate The Movie That Hasn't Been Filmed tm!" "They want a TV Series Instead tm!" "They won't see The Movie That Hasn't Been Filmed tm, why would they see a TV Series tm? Scr*w it! Scrap The Movie That Hasn't Been Filmed tm!"
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I also think the suits that are footing the bill for the movie are morons.
Star Trek Sucks!
:end sarcasm:
Star Trek should be a TV Series tm. No the suits won't think: "They hate The Movie That Hasn't Been Filmed tm!" "They want a TV Series Instead tm!" "They won't see The Movie That Hasn't Been Filmed tm, why would they see a TV Series tm? Scr*w it! Scrap The Movie That Hasn't Been Filmed tm!"
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xortex said:
Poor Gene. He's being rebooted out of his own universe first by the two B's - Brutus and Barrabas and now J.J. (Judas?) To appeal to women and kids who think a concept is friendship and relationships.
Ah... that was the "concept" in TOS, unless you're seriously gonna tell me "the Menagerie", "Spock's Brain", and "The Deadly Years" to name a few were deep scientific concepts at play - trust me if it weren't the friendship most of these episodes would have big yawners at best the only thing making them interesting was the Kirk/Spock/McCoy friendship.
"Space Seed" was clearly a "Man out of his time".
Though I'll grant the often regurgitated "The changeling" was a "concept show" as you seem to desire it was a quirk amongst the space adventure - which could explain why GR liked trotting it out over and over in other incarnations...
Certainly as I recall "The Tholian Web" was all about McCoy and Spock dealing with the apparent death of their friend and captain.
"Balance of Terror" - two submarine captains facing it off - could have been done as a World War II show! But it was about Kirk and WHO HE WAS and that guy who strangely resembled Spock's father... [very likely a distant relation who's ancestors decided not to follow Surak's teachings and went with the Romulans] Oh but "Balance of Terror" was all about *the people* human/Romulan/Vulcan.
Sharr
Star Trek should pick a good novel that has already been written, fashion a screenplay faithful to the book, and film it.
The problem with Trek is that Hollywood script writers keep botching the job. They need to start with some quality work by a REAL writer, a novelist. Hollywood hacks just recycle stuff and have no imagination, they just "paint by the numbers".
The problem with Trek is that Hollywood script writers keep botching the job. They need to start with some quality work by a REAL writer, a novelist. Hollywood hacks just recycle stuff and have no imagination, they just "paint by the numbers".
xortex said:
Poor Gene. He's being rebooted out of his own universe first by the two B's - Brutus and Barrabas and now J.J. (Judas?) To appeal to women and kids who think a concept is freindship and relationships.
I think you need some Xanax, Xortex. I think it was a team effort, some a bit more some a bit less. I'm not sure exactly who did what, but they were all pretty good at what they were doing.
I'm pretty sure GR wasn't murdered on the Ides of March, or betrayed for $30.
He conducted the choir, played the organ and wrote most of the music like Serling did for the Twilight Zone. I'm still waiting for someone to do anything near what he did again - that's why I consider him a genius like Serling because he synthesized everything through him and trapped his spirit on celluloid. I just hope he's not murdered on Christmas 2008 and sold out and betrayed for more like 30 million dollars. I just don't to be J.J. if he messes up.
yeah, because Bob Justman, Herb Solow, Gene Coon, the actors, the directors, the writers, all of them sat at His feet waiting for pearls of wisdom to drip down his ruby lips, and did nothing themselves.
what an unholy crock. We're not talking about Orson Welles here. He came up with a good concept for a show, and a team of talented people made it run for a term. Nothing precludes another creative team taking a crack at it.
Thank you... that's exactly correct. Xortex seems to be having some delusions of Messianic proportions over Roddenberry.
Here's what Roddenberry did. He came up with a general concept. A "wagon train to the stars" that could be used to tell stories that would be in the "Jonathan Swift" vein... ie, able to tell meaningful stories about the world we live in without beating people over the head, by using alegory rather than direct reference.
He then surrounded took on the role of championing this idea, and fought tooth and nail to get it made. He lied, stole and cheated, but he made it happen.
Then surrounded himself with OUTSTANDING TALENT, and that talent created a show. Roddenberry didn't invent Klingons or Romulans... he didn't come up with the name Kirk, he didn't come up with the name Enterprise... he didn't design the ship... he didn't design the uniforms... but he found good people who could do that, and he let them have a great deal of free reign to do so.
He also surrounded himself with great writers, at least at first. Unfortunately, he managed to piss so many of them off that he drove most of them away within two years. The reason for that was that he refused to give them the credit and praise that they deserved for their work... he claimed full credit for everything himself, and was... shall we say... less than diplomatic about how he dealt with the writers (according to many accounts told by those same writers, and other people who were there).
Roddenberry was responsible for creating Star Trek, but let's be blunt... he also had a major role in killing it, by alienating his talent, and by using the "casting couch" to place so many of his female characters.
He's not the near-deity that so many people seem to think of him as. He was a simple, flawed human being, and his success with creating Star Trek was due to his success in creating a great team of talent, who were the ones who actually created everything we think of as Star Trek today.
He had final say on everything, unless you wanted to have people like Harlan Ellison to have final say and have three different Kirks, two Spocks and an overbloated budget. If that's all he did, why has nobody been able to recreate that excitement and magic that was Star Trek. I can't believe I always have to defend Roddenberry. If the fans trash him, what is J.J. gonna do ? Ellison's Ster Trek would be more similar to BSG and Babylon V - Good shows, but can anyone see a difference ? To me it's all about production values (the details) and vision and powerful scripts that are trimmed of all this he said/ she said convoluded garbage that we wadded through in all of the incarnations of Trek.
