lol don't even know what I was thinkingEurus not Euros...the latter are money
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I thought it was Euros, but I was thinking of Doctor Who/Torchwood/Sherlock director Euros Lyn. I figured Moffat and Gatiss were making an homage to a colleague of theirs, perhaps, though Lyn is male.
I meant to ask this after "The Six Thatchers," but since it appeared again, I'll ask now: Does anyone know who the painting in Mycroft's office is suppose to represent? Anyone in particular or is just some painting he has.
Just because Moffat has said he has it plotted, doesn't mean the series is going to happen. Until BBC says a fifth series has been commissioned, I won't believe it's actually happening.
I thought it was Euros, too, although I'm not sure why. Possibly and indirectly because of Euros Lyn.
Really liked this one too, kept us both guessing and I really liked the revelation at the end, as for John beating Sherlock like he did, he is a trained killer after all as he reminded Sherlock a while back.
It's a very young Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II. (could be her first royal portrait, not sure though.)
It's a very young Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II. (could be her first royal portrait, not sure though.)
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Ah, of course. That makes perfect sense. A little embarrassed that I didn't recognize her. 
True, especially with Moffat stepping down from Doctor after series 10. But it's still a big hurdle since Cumberbatch and Freeman are still very busy (particularly Cumberbatch in the MCU). The good thing is they both still sound interested in doing more.
The Lying Detective was fantastic. The villain was terrifying. That scene where Smith makes the Board take the memory drug in order to confess was chilling. Toby Jones does a brilliant job with the character. Holmes was great of course. We actually got to see some of his deductions. The scene with the window was very cool. The overall writing was great. So many great scenes. The episode not just gave us a chilling murder mystery but also gave us some great character moments especially with Watson and Mary. Loved the scene where Head-Mary let's a tear fall down her cheek and also the scene where Holmes and Watson hug. And if that wasn't enough, we got a great plot twist at the end.
Eurus not Euros...the latter are money
You're only thinking of money.
But actually Euros and Eurus (the latin spelling of the Greek word, the change from -os to -us is common) are both correct spellings for the ancient Greek god of the East Wind. But I'll shut up now.
Hm, I didn't find Smith particularly terrifying, crazy psychopath yes, but terrifying? I rather think that Sherlock predicting that John would put him into the hospital (and leave him there although he knows that something's up with Smith) is more terrifying.
And the drug: Since we don't actually see it in use later on but just in the first scene, I'm not sure if there even is a TD12-serum. The only proof we have is a bloody piece of paper, but that could have come from a nightmare etc. as well. Later on we just see some infusion bags which could just as easily contain saline solution...
Sure, but in a supporting role for Black Panther and that's probably it. I doubt he'll much of a role, if any, in the two Infinity War films, whereas Benedict Cumberbatch will probably play significant role in both (as Dr. Strange did in the mini-series) as well as a possible second solo film. The workload is hardly comparable.
I still think having a conference room in the hospital with possible memory-altering IV solutions already set-up at the table to be very strange, regardless the fact that Culverton was showing off and playing with Sherlock's head.
Toby Jones is very good at being chilling (rather reminds me of his role as 'The Dream Lord' in Doctor Who tbh) but I think the whole drug business over-sold it and came off as a bit too silly to me. No it was more the nod to H H Holmes and the man rather intimately strangling Holmes which was unnerving.
But there was a logic behind the drug. If Culverton simply confessed to the Board then they could go to the Police. Culverton had this psychological need to confess his horrible crime but did not want them to be able to tell anyone about it. And he justified it by telling them that he did not want them to be burdened by the knowledge of his crime. So we see him confess his crimes but not allowing them to remember. That is why the whole thing was so creepy to me.
Bluntly, this portrayal of Smith is chilling because it's so obviously based on a horrible reality within British recent history. If you're not British you might not get it in the way we do now, with an awful lot of childhood memories sullied by knowing what was being covered up.
Indeed, although as I said earlier I think the Savillie allusions were a little too on the nose, even down to making Smith a Yorkshireman.
The paper and drug seem to be real, the scene where Culverton takes it from his daughter actually happened, later someone, we don't know who yet, puts Culverton and Eurus is contact, and he gives the paper to her.
Ah, yeah, I thought that felt rather familiar, but I can how the Saville parallel may seem more obvious for Brits than us Americans. Even without considering that parallel, I found Smith's creepy and a bit terrifying, especially in light of Smith's story about HH Holmes.
How did Season 4 do that? The "Miss me?" video is suggestive but even Sherlock dismissed any likelihood of Moriarty actually being alive from the get go. I didn't really expect him to return. Just his influence.
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