Shazam!

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Happy Harleydays, Jul 21, 2018.

  1. Kor

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    Or the myriad James Bonds in the satirical 1967 "Casino Royale" movie.

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  2. Professor Zoom

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    I’m not against different opinions at all. I just don’t see what one gets from angrily posting how awful something is, how wrong something is over and over. Do you feel joy? Do the posts make you feel good?

    I get saying: this isn’t the movie I’m interested in seeing. And then moving on. But, over and over?

    Legit question: how does it feel to keep posting how “wrong” this movie will be?
     
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  3. Happy X-Mas (War Is Over)

    Happy X-Mas (War Is Over) If you want it Premium Member

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    Roy Thomas & Don Newton came very close to introducing a version of Captain Marvel, to be called "Captain Thunder" into DC's Earth-1 continuity before COIE happened.
     
  4. theenglish

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    That was actually an older character that was resurrected for that particular story--I had it in my collection once upon a time.
     
  5. Happy X-Mas (War Is Over)

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    This was different thing. Cap and Billy were going to be Black.
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    This version was a sort of trial balloon that came out before DC published SHAZAM #1 back in the 70's
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  6. theenglish

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    ^^^ Interesting. I never knew that--but yes, that is the comic I owned (and maybe still have somewhere).
     
  7. Greg Cox

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    Don't be silly. Everyone knows David Niven is the one true James Bond. :)
     
  8. Morpheus 02

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    Just noticed in the trailer that Cooper ANdrews, Jerry from Walking Dead, will portray the foster father. I am assuming he will be fairly close to that happy jolly Jerry persona (though perhaps a tad but more mature). i really look forward to his scenes!

    How would that compare to the comics version? How awful is he there, kirk55555??
     
  9. Anwar

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    He really isn't THAT bad...he just isn't the utterly incorruptible "can never get angry over his lot in life" orphan with a heart of gold. He actually feels kind of upset at being an orphan whose relative stole his money and kicked him out.
     
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  10. kirk55555

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    Oh yeah, because the real Billy never got sad or angry. I must have hallucinated Jerry Ordway's entire Power of Shazam run, then :rolleyes:

    Regardless of people who don't know crap about Billy post 1970s might think, and so many people here are so obviously ignorant to Billy post 70s DC era it would be hilarious if it wasn't frustrating, some writers made Billy a good person and yet he still had issues. They just didn't lead to him acting like a moody idiot, or having him shake down people for money. He had his kid moments, his moments of frustration, anger, etc. This has been true basically since he entered the mainstream DC universe.

    Yeah, he doesn't rob shit, he never tried to use his adult form to buy beer, etc. But his 90s series dealt with him being homeless, and see him be a good person despite the shit his life was. Any average teen can act shitty because they have a shitty life, its understandable. The whole point of Billy is that he is special, not average. Its his ability to get past the shit without becoming an asshole that makes him worthy of his abilities. Now, his 90s series isn't New 52 gritty, but its not like his older stuff. Neither is his other appearances up until they fucked him up with Day of Vengeance/The Trials of Shazam.

    Honestly, I'd just recommend The Power of Shazam (the trade papderback, and the series that came from it)to anyone wanting to see Billy at his best. It gave the best character and development to Billy, Mary, Freddy, the Wizard, etc. It also did it while showing that his life wasn't always happy or easy, and yes he even got angry, sad, etc at times. It also had great stuff with Black Adam, Sivana, etc. Its the best Captain marvel series ever made.

    It comes down to this. If you can believe an alien Moses is flying around saving people, you can believe a teenager can deal with a shitty life by not letting it turn him into a character from a YA book series/drama. Pre-New 52 Billy wasn't like he had been in the Golden Age, or his 70s DC run, but obviously he wasn't some angsty, gritty teen character. He had some depth, but he could have that without being a little shit. Unlike what some people think, Billy can have some depth, and not be an angsty prick. It was done, and done spectacularly.
     
  11. Morpheus 02

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    Actually, I was wondering about Cooper Andrews character (Victor Vasquez?)

    Could this movie character be one that positively influences Billy so that he does NOT BECOME the character that kirk55555 hates?
     
  12. Morpheus 02

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    That's not twerking, that's called flossing. RADICALLY different types of dance.

    If your girls are into TWERKING, then i need to call DCFS....

    (But i guess this is a thread which mainly interests fan of Captain WHitebread...)
     
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    I remembered that it's actually flossing they like & which he's doing a day or two after I posted, but couldn't be bothered going back to edit it!
     
  14. The Realist

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    I'm as liberal as they come, but this kind of thing always pisses me right the fuck off. Are people really unable to understand and make allowances for historical context? Can we not be both sensitive and, you know, adults? Censoring or suppressing art is not the way to deal with past inequities and injustices, and I think George Santayana would have something relevant to say about it.
     
  15. JD

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    I would think they could have just put a warning or something on the cover and still released, just for the historical importance.
    Comixology has done that with a bunch of early Archie comics:
     
  16. The Realist

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    ^ Yes. Precisely how you handle that kind of thing. Or, you could even trust your readers to understand all by themselves that the 1940s were what they were, and that reprinting the material doesn't mean endorsing everything about it.
     
  17. JD

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    I found a more closely related example, according to Wikipedia, Volumes 3, 4, 5, and 6 of the Looney Toones Golden Collection DVD series include a warning about some of cartoon containing content that could be considered offensive today. The warning in 3 is given in a special introduction by Whoopi Goldberg,
     
  18. The Realist

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    ^ Well said, Whoopi. :techman: Now please explain that to the folks at DC (who have, BTW, also altered art and dialogue involving African-Americans in a number of Golden Age Wonder Woman reprints).
     
  19. Christopher

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    If we lived in a saner time, I'd agree with you. But there's so much virulent, violent racism and white supremacism erupting into the open in the US today that it can't be treated as a harmless historical curiosity. From a scholarly perspective, of course all material from the past should be available, but from a business and good-taste perspective, maybe this isn't a good time for something like that.
     
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    Let both stay in the Phantom Zone where they belong-the TV show was one of the worst adaptations of something from a different medium. Filmation could have adapted the original comic book, but it didn't even try to do that, coming up with the overly moralistic mess that most of us saw as kids.