Shazam!

[marillion]

"Hi! I'm Shazmmm mmmm mmm!" Who? "Shuzeeeem!"

 

[JD]

Different opinions = bullshit does seem to be your general philosophy from what I've seen.

No that just applies to opinions that aren't based on facts or rational thinking.

Have to agree with Kirk55555 on the Johns Shazam. It was the worst version of Billy I have ever read. That being said while the trailer gave us that same setup I didnt get the “Billy is a complete jerk” feel the comic gave.

OK, good to know it's not just Kirk being his usual self then.

 

[Christopher]

So... if saying the word "Shazam" changes Billy to the superhero and also changes him back, and his name is now "Shazam," high jinks will ensue whenever he introduces himself by name without stopping to think first.

Captain Marvel Jr. (Freddy Freeman) always had that same problem, since his magic word to transform was "Captain Marvel."

I think it was established at one point in the modern continuity that he had to say "Shazam!" with intent in order to change.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Another point - whatever route they're going with the source of Billy's powers, he doesn't seem to have "The Wisdom of Solomon" (unless we're being factual, because "cut the baby in half" is actually pretty dumb) to help him cover the areas of life-experience that a kid doesn't have yet. He's going to need to muddle through on his own/with Freddy's help.

As I recall Solomon's "cut the baby in half" solution was to make the two women claiming to be the mother stop and think. In the end the baby's actual mother got the child.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Captain Marvel Jr. (Freddy Freeman) always had that same problem, since his magic word to transform was "Captain Marvel."

I think it was established at one point in the modern continuity that he had to say "Shazam!" with intent in order to change.

The Justice League Action cartoon played with it in an episode where Mr. Mxyzptlk switches the bodies of several heroes, putting Firestorm into CM's, or rather Shazam's, body. The title that YouTuber used for that clip says it all:

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[kirk55555]

No that just applies to opinions that aren't based on facts or rational thinking.

OK, good to know it's not just Kirk being his usual self then.

Wow, you try to dispute me then instantly prove you are just against people who don't share your opinion. Great job My opinion is based on what I've seen, and the source material its taken from. So, much more rational then the accusations you're throwing around when someone has an opinion you don't like.

 

[JD]

How does the second part prove that I'm against people whose opinions differ from mine? I'm saying that I'm taking your opinion a bit more seriously now that I have seen it coming from someone who isn't you.

 

[Morpheus 02]

If they ever make the Black Adam movie with The Rock that they've been teasing, he'll probably be 1000 times more heroic then "Shazam", which would be interesting to see (plus it would have The Rock, who unlike Chuck is a good actor and also not an asshole like Chuck).

I wonder if the Dr. Sivana scene we glimpsed was originally intended for Black Adam...this whole other Black Adam movie seems like a bad move. Black Adam could have been the DC F.U. type of Loki...now thye are pushing him back (while the Rock ages)

Another point - whatever route they're going with the source of Billy's powers, he doesn't seem to have "The Wisdom of Solomon" (unless we're being factual, because "cut the baby in half" is actually pretty dumb) to help him cover the areas of life-experience that a kid doesn't have yet. He's going to need to muddle through on his own/with Freddy's help.

As I recall Solomon's "cut the baby in half" solution was to make the two women claiming to be the mother stop and think. In the end the baby's actual mother got the child.

Yeah..it was the original Corbomite Manuever...where the REAL mother would be exposed by her knowing how crazy that idea was and would sacrifice her relationship so the baby can live (while the other mother lost her own, and might be more callous to someone else also suffering the same loss)
(Solomon wasn't really going to kill the baby)
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As for the "facts" about Solomon, what I recall learning in college (though I can't cite a source) was that the story of Solomon was actually ancient political propaganda. Solomon was an illegitimate claimant to the throne of Israel, and the famous "cut the baby in half" story was actually a threat to the reigning monarch -- an allegory to indicate that Solomon (the false mother) was willing to tear Israel (the baby) in half with war, so if the true king (the true mother) really loved his country, he should give it up without a fight. Or rather, the story was spread among the people to make them see things that way and put pressure on the king to step down.

Sounds like your professor had a specific agenda, and really read it wrong.

Have to agree with Kirk55555 on the Johns Shazam. It was the worst version of Billy I have ever read. That being said while the trailer gave us that same setup I didnt get the “Billy is a complete jerk” feel the comic gave.

As someone else said...that's a bit of a shocker, but helps us understand kirk55555's hate. I never read that series...I am only familiar with Geoff Johns and his TV work, which I think have been the best stuff out there....but I am certainly willing to accept that he messed up majorly with the Shazam comic.

However, I do NOT share Kirk55555's expectation that the movie will follow Johns' version in that way... rather as others have said, more like Big (with some Greatest AMerican Hero).


Also, in the trailer... JERRY (from Walking Dead) is the foster dad. I am assuming he will play the same type of character, which will help Billy develop as a HERO. I don't mind Billy GROWING into the role and not be as immediately ready as Steve ROgers in the Captain AMerica movies.

My kids saw the trailer, so I expect to see it in theaters around opening day

 

[Anwar]

I wonder if the Dr. Sivana scene we glimpsed was originally intended for Black Adam...this whole other Black Adam movie seems like a bad move. Black Adam could have been the DC F.U. type of Loki...now thye are pushing him back (while the Rock ages)

From the look of things, Orm is going to be the DCEU answer to Loki.

 

[Greg Cox]

From the look of things, Orm is going to be the DCEU answer to Loki.

To be fair, feuding siblings vying for the throne have been a staple of myth and history for ages. Hi, Osiris and Set, Romulus and Remus, King Richard and Prince John, "Much Ado about Nothing," etc. And we can probably bring in King Arthur and Morgan Le Fay as well. It's an old trope.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

To be fair, feuding siblings vying for the throne have been a staple of myth and history for ages. Hi, Osiris and Set, Romulus and Remus, King Richard and Prince John, "Much Ado about Nothing," etc. And we can probably bring in King Arthur and Morgan Le Fay as well. It's an old trope.

Well said. The MCU did not invent that by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[dahj]

So how’s the movie going to handle the whole Shazam/Captain Marvel thing? The film has thrown out the Captain Marvel name and is fully embracing Shazam — though there could be a sly reference in the film to the switch.

“Let’s just say we’re going to have a bit of fun with that in the movie,” director David Sandberg (Lights Out) teases on the name change. “But he’s basically known as Shazam, which makes sense because of the confusion.”

(source)

Not unexpected, but still slightly disappointing.
Branding sucks.

 

[Anwar]

To be fair, feuding siblings vying for the throne have been a staple of myth and history for ages. Hi, Osiris and Set, Romulus and Remus, King Richard and Prince John, "Much Ado about Nothing," etc. And we can probably bring in King Arthur and Morgan Le Fay as well. It's an old trope.

Here's hoping it's handled better than the "Throne of Atlantis" animated movie did it...where Orm was a total Loki clone.

 

[Christopher]

I still say that it would've made more sense if, when DC obtained the rights to Captain Marvel, they'd reverted him to his original, unused name of Captain Thunder to avoid confusion with Mar-Vell. It would make more sense as a name than Shazam (especially where the spinoff heroes are concerned -- Shazam Jr.? Mary Shazam?). Someone told me the last time I brought this up that there was already a character using Captain Thunder so they couldn't do that -- but there was also already a character using Captain Marvel! So I still don't get it.

 

[dahj]

If I was in charge I'd keep calling him Captain Marvel.

People already wonder why Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman don't join the Avengers, so what's a little extra confusion to throw in the mix...

 

[Professor Zoom]

If I was in charge I'd keep calling him Captain Marvel.

People already wonder why Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman don't join the Avengers, so what's a little extra confusion to throw in the mix...

You still could, sure, but trademarking becomes a problem. You couldn’t call your movie or book Captain Marvel. Not an impossible hurdle to overcome, but, why have that hurdle in the first place?

 

[Greg Cox]

You still could, sure, but trademarking becomes a problem. You couldn’t call your movie or book Captain Marvel. Not an impossible hurdle to overcome, but, why have that hurdle in the first place?

Not to mention being unable able to use the hero's name on any merchandise. Honestly, DC has been dealing with this trademark headache for for something like forty years now. Can't really blame them for deciding to just bite the damn bullet and call him "Shazam" already.

The purist in me objects, but the pragmatist gets it.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Not to mention not being able to use the hero's name on any merchandise. Honestly, DC has been dealing with this trademark headache for for something like forty years now. Can't really blame them for deciding to just bite the damn bullet and call him "Shazam" already.

The purist in me objects, but the pragmatist gets it.

Yep. I’m in the same camp. I’m surprised they didn’t make it sooner.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

He's been unofficially called Shazam by casual fans for decades, anyway.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Hey guys...my comment about The Rock wasn't intended to be about the brothers-in-myth thing but rather I see the Rock as being the villain-played-by-a-great/fun-actor-who -would-be-in-way-more-than-one-movie

The excitement he showed about getting the role, combined with his popularity & acting, would make him a villain/character people would WANT to watch (as opposed to say Ares at the end, a weak villain in an otherwise great movie)

The DCFU needs more of that to get people excited about the franchise