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SG-U – Space (1x11) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

Rate SGU: Space

  • 10 Chevrons - Best Stargate episode ever!

    Votes: 5 7.1%
  • 9 Chevrons - Best SGU episode so far!

    Votes: 23 32.9%
  • 8 Chevrons - Pretty good, I must say!

    Votes: 25 35.7%
  • 7 Chevrons - Not the best, but not the worse.

    Votes: 8 11.4%
  • 6 Chevrons - Good, I actually watched the whole thing.

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • 5 Chevrons - Meh, ok but not memorable.

    Votes: 6 8.6%
  • 4 Chevrons - Where the is RDA when you need him?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3 Chevrons - I don't know what is worse SGU or Caprica?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2 Chevrons - Stargate: Jonas is better than this!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 1 Chevron - Slammed against the Iris

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Total voters
    70
Re: the James thing. Just because a girl like James can shag nearly any guy she shakes her tatas at, doesn't mean girls like that don't get lonely. Especially considering her comments about the widower. Looks like she would like to be in a serious relationship, and going around getting screwed would probably do little in the way of making that happen.
 
^If the stereotype is true, it still holds up here. All she has to do is show interest and, in theory, a guy's going to respond positively thanks to the possibility that it might go somewhere.

Though broadcasting to the world that she wants commitment ? Really not helping her chances when she's stuck on a ship full of military types and scientists.
 
I don't understand why it's so awful for Chloe to not be useful, when we've been told repeatedly that's the entire idea. The fact that Chloe understands this as well just makes it more interesting, to me. If the audience is told over and over again that 'these are the wrong people' and then everyone turns out to have a specific use, then the show would be lying to us. The obvious place to take the Chloe character is to give her angst about this, and slowly have her FIND something to contribute.

The problem isn't that she's useless practically, it's that she's useless dramatically, or at least close enough to be seen that way. She doesn't have much in the way of personality or flair. Her entire function at the moment is to be a macguffin. I wouldn't even rank her as high as "foil." She gives Scott something to be all manly and protective of, Young something to be vaguely fatherish and protective of, and everyone else something to keep an eye on, like she was the bosses favorite pen and they didn't want to be the one to lose it. The closest she comes to being an actual character is in her scenes with Eli, and that's mostly on him having the slightest bit of complexity in his relationship with her, in that he likes her but can't show it (and that's only relatively interesting. Unrequited love is a really basic dynamic, and it's not a good sign that that's the only thing Chole has going for her). Of course, it doesn't really help that the majority of her interactions with the majority of the cast are perfunctory and professional, and her only real interpersonal dynamics are with Scott and Eli, and Eli's the only one she actually talks to. Which is another thing. The show seems to have decided that Scott and Chole actually like each other, which I have difficultly buying because the only interaction it shows up between them is crotch-related. Now, in the earlier episodes, where it looked like they were going to play up that Scott was just chasing some emotionally vulnerable tail, that was fine, but now that they actually want me to believe these kids have something going on, they're going to have to show me they can tolerate each other outside the bedroom.

Honestly, the worst thing that could happen to Chloe, speaking critically, is getting together with Eli. All she has going for her is that she puts him through interesting conflicts (using an extremely generous definition of interesting), and given the way this show is put together, I don't trust the writers to be able to develop her independently of that. If she ended up with Eli, she'd just have the same superficial bullshit she's got with Scott now, not even compelling enough to be called "lovey-dovey," and would lose the one thing that actually justifies her presence in the cast.

Consider that in Firefly, Shepherd Book wasn't a part of the crew, and didn't have any kind of role on the ship, but he was my favorite character, and the one I wanted to know the most about. Or in the first half of the first season of Battlestar Galactica, Dr. Baltar didn't have anything to do except lie about making the Cylon Detector. And then we got a Baltar-focused episode, "Six Degrees of Separation," which was pretty sort of awesome. Can you imagine a Chloe-focused episode? Chloe is framed for murdering Sgt. Whatshisface With The Pills? Does anyone think that would be good?

Honestly, the interpersonal dynamics of the show are really weak, and are really elevated by the acting. The trouble with that, though, is that it means that characters are only entertaining to watch based on the ratio to which they are pissed off, and also piss off others. Rush is always pissed off, and pisses off everyone else, so he's the most fun. Young is always mildly pissed off, but not as much as Rush, and only pisses off half the ship, so he's a little less fun. IOA woman (you know, I knew everyone's name on Caprica like three episodes in...) isn't pissed off at all, and is just a power-hungry underappreciated butt-hurt asshole, and she only pisses off Young, so she's not any fun at all. Eli is the exception to the rule, because the writers gave him all the likability that they'd normally spread to the whole cast in another Stargate show, and even then, he gets, like, twice as awesome when it looks like he's going to leave Scott to die because he's pissed off at him over Chloe.

So, yes, that's why Chloe is useless. The only thing she does on the ship is give Eli a reason to be irritable with Scott. They could just as easily replace her with the last cupcake and have them fight over that.
 
^If the stereotype is true, it still holds up here. All she has to do is show interest and, in theory, a guy's going to respond positively thanks to the possibility that it might go somewhere.

Though broadcasting to the world that she wants commitment ? Really not helping her chances when she's stuck on a ship full of military types and scientists.
True if every one thinks that by the end of season 7 a wormhole opens up to earth and a sexy alien will join the crew along the way. Men have been known to kill to protect their access to women. Princess Chloe is already off of the market You would think if the choice was commit to James or spend time alone in your bunk choosing between eating your gun or masturbating yourself or waiting in line to get with Dr. Park many would be fast to commit to her.
 
5/10.

Chloe is still completely useless, for reasons nicely spelled out by David_cgc. And why did she let herself be captured like she was a zombie?

What's Ming-Na's character name again? And why is she being portrayed in such an evil light? Young is a terrible commander, and he did attempt to murder Rush and afterwards lied about it.

I don't know why Rush is sitting on the truth about Young. Young said Rush was killed in a rock slide. Now Rush is definitely alive. That casts an awfully long shadow on Young's version of events.

I liked the look of the aliens, though they'll need development if they keep showing up.

And there's yet another painful pop song montage at the end. The producers really haven't done these well at all. The music is too obvious.

And did anyone else read that Gateworld is clamping down on criticism of SGU? I know it usually toes the official line, but really?
 
Doesn't sound all that different to the forums here. Go in the Doctor Who or Voyager or Enterprise forums and just blast the show. You'll get a trolling warning, I guarantee it.

I can't say I really disagree with that policy. People who enjoy a show should be able to talk about it without having to wade through thread after thread about why people hate it. That doesn't mean that you can't criticise.
 
I get that, and it's a reasonable policy, but this line makes me wonder where things are really going:

"GateWorld is first a fan site, and if you don’t like SGU, you shouldn’t post about it here."
 
Well, I see what he's saying. If you're not a fan, grow up and stop posting about how much you hate the show.
 
Well, I see what he's saying. If you're not a fan, grow up and stop posting about how much you hate the show.

Yeah, I can get that, I never get why people spend so much time bashing something they don't like, yet clearly continue to watch it? IMDB is a good place for this, the boards are filled with people flaming and trolling others, merely for suggesting that they find someplace else to post, because they clearly do not like the show, or movie, etc... in question. I mean, if you have a crit of some kind, then whatever, but to spend so much energy and time, etc... to continuously bash it?

As for Chloe and Scott? I don't have a crusade against them per se, just that they don't seem to have a 'spark' as someone else said, their screen time together tend to be them frakkin' or acting like hormonal high school kids when they decide to take two unsupervised seconds and make out some. The only time I see her go to Eli, is when Scott isn't around and she needs to whine, feel safe, or has a technical issue of some sort.

I personally felt she had some sort of potential somewhere, don't know where. Maybe, considering her background, an attempt to form a type of government to try and represent the interest and needs of the crew. Perhaps a bit lame and cliche, but so is the "We need to make prisoners out of the military guys, because they are all evil, and we civilians want to be in charge" That plotline just annoys me, and not out of some patriotic type of thing, but simply that it just annoys me.

Scott isn't that great, rescuing someone, or wanting to, is noble, but he only did what he did becuase it was Chloe, and his reasoning that becuase he didn't ask, he's therefor not violating orders and causing trouble is just stupid. How did this guy gain the rank that he did? I know nothing about military life, but I've seen comments online that Greer and maybe James are the most believable military wise, and I am starting to think it's true. Yes, even with the hothead attitude that Greer has.
 
Scott isn't that great, rescuing someone, or wanting to, is noble, but he only did what he did becuase it was Chloe, and his reasoning that becuase he didn't ask, he's therefor not violating orders and causing trouble is just stupid. How did this guy gain the rank that he did? I know nothing about military life, but I've seen comments online that Greer and maybe James are the most believable military wise, and I am starting to think it's true. Yes, even with the hothead attitude that Greer has.

I don't know his full bio but he is only a First Lieutenant. He likely got his rank by going to college ROTC, graduating and going straight to flight school. He really hasn't have time to be a flight leader or anything else when he joined Stargate Command. Otherwise he would be a Captain already.

Just because Lt James seems older to me and is outranked by Scott, date of rank pilots first doesn't apply even in the USAF, I suppose she is a mustang, a former enlisted airman who got commissioned as a Lieutenant.
 
8/10

Great return, looking forward to the next episode. I admit though that I enjoyed the first half of season one anyway. I'd say that 'Time' is still my favourite episode. Character building has always been a strong factor in my judgment of episodes.
 
And for the guy who compared this ep unfavorably to the recent episode of "V" I have to shake my head. The new "V" is outright garbage. Its all explosion, all action, all quick sequences but no story and definitely no buildup to anything. And its probably more guilty of employing pretty people than SGU. The new "V" can't hold a candle to the original two miniseries.
Well, you can shake your head all the fuck you want. :rolleyes: :lol:

What exactly do you need to shake your head for? Because I enjoyed the V episode? I guess you also "shake your head" because I like Doctor Who or watch sports or participate in Aragorn's GBOTW polls sometimes. Where the hell do you get off?

In your vociferous rant, you left out that I never said I didn't like the episode or series. I like the series and I criticize it. Yes, NKemp3, I can walk and chew gun at the same time. If you'd deign to look at the thread on the V episode and my post in it, you'd see that it's hardly glowing praise.

But I enjoyed it a tad bit more, so I guess that makes me.........well, whatever you thought you had to shake your head for.
 
I understand why Rush wants to get rid of Young: He sees the "overly cautious" colonel as an obstacle which hinders him from fully exploring Destiny.

But what's Wray's motivation exactly? She wants to get back to that chick from "24", and thinks that removing Young is going to facilitate Rush's efforts to find a way home?

And yeah, non-humanoid aliens who don't speak English are cool. And it's more realistic from a purely scientific point of view.
 
I understand why Rush wants to get rid of Young: He sees the "overly cautious" colonel as an obstacle which hinders him from fully exploring Destiny.

But what's Wray's motivation exactly? She wants to get back to that chick from "24", and thinks that removing Young is going to facilitate Rush's efforts to find a way home?

.

She wants to be in command, its her destiny to lead :klingon:
 
Overall a pretty good episode (8/10).

-I don't like Col. Young (not that I really did in the first place, but now...). Not that Rush is blameless in the least, but Young left him to die on a barren planet--no he didn't kill him, but the expectation was that he would die alone on that planet.
-I'm glad that the aliens found Rush messing with the ship on the planet and brought him to their 'mothership' rather than having him just magically figure out how to fix and pilot the vessel (which was what I was sort of expecting).
-It was nice to see Rush kill the blue alien so easily--seriously! In every sci fi series featuring aliens they are almost always far stronger/more physically robust than humans (Klingons, Vulcans, etc...). It was refreshing to see an alien race humans are capable of beating up!
-it was encouraging to see that Rush is still harbouring serious resentment in that last scene--yes they are keeping quiet 'for the good of the crew' but it looks like Rush and Ming Na's character are forming an alliance that will hamper Young in the future.

Looking forward to next week.
 
But what's Wray's motivation exactly? She wants to get back to that chick from "24", and thinks that removing Young is going to facilitate Rush's efforts to find a way home?

The plain and simple (thereby the most obvious) reason is (and it's more or less stated), she feels she should be in charge. There's a bit of a moment between her and Greer in the pilot where she all out said that (not in so many words though) she was gonna find a way to be in charge. Thus, she's planning mutinies and backstabbing people and calling conspiracies where none really exist (although, in the case of Rush...), which is why, despite her homesickness (and having someone at home for her, etc...) she's seen as a bit of a bitch. She's working on the IOA orders from back home, after they were pissed off because they were not going to get what they wanted right away.
 
What an annoying episode. This just made me wish that Atlantis was back on. Let me state this fact. I thought after S1 Atlantis was crap. They ruined good villains like the Genii and Michael and was a walking borefest.

This episode however made me think of how much i missed SG:A.

Useless-Female-Character-who-is-only-there-because-she-is-marginally-good-looking: Normally she's annoying and her 90210 storylines makes me want to bang my head against the wall. This episode just made me wish that she was killed very quickly. WTF was she doing going closer to the aliens? What were the writers thinking? Because now she is not only useless and annoying but stupid as well.

Miss Wannabe-Ball-crusher: I stopped taking her seriously when she after the lotto incident. Now she's accusing Young of killing Rush and is planning a mutiny. Now that isn't a problem but the fact that she accused him of sabotaging the communication :rolleyes: . Yeah woman. There were witnesses.


Mr Can't-Keep-his-dick-in-his-pants: This guy is meant to be the Second in command? Seriously? A guy who questions his superior of the need to fire back at an alien vessel who is tearing the ship apart? A guy who decides to go and rescue his girlfriend by taking the only functioning shuttle and infiltrate a ship he has no knowledge of. :rolleyes:



Before I gave the show the benifit of the doubt. They had some ok episodes. But now that I have seen Caprica. I just can't forgive the stupidity. Seriously mate. This is the flagship of the Stargate franchise now. They need to fix up. I'm not asking for great episodes. Just ok ones that don't involve me losing respect for the characters I am meant to care about.
 
7 or 8 probably need to watch again.

Still some very weak characters, poor lighting, and things get resolved too quickly. Might be pushing this show to the backburner soon. Only one really good episode out of 11 so far. Pretty disappointed.
 
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