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SG-U – Space (1x11) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

Rate SGU: Space

  • 10 Chevrons - Best Stargate episode ever!

    Votes: 5 7.1%
  • 9 Chevrons - Best SGU episode so far!

    Votes: 23 32.9%
  • 8 Chevrons - Pretty good, I must say!

    Votes: 25 35.7%
  • 7 Chevrons - Not the best, but not the worse.

    Votes: 8 11.4%
  • 6 Chevrons - Good, I actually watched the whole thing.

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • 5 Chevrons - Meh, ok but not memorable.

    Votes: 6 8.6%
  • 4 Chevrons - Where the is RDA when you need him?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3 Chevrons - I don't know what is worse SGU or Caprica?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2 Chevrons - Stargate: Jonas is better than this!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 1 Chevron - Slammed against the Iris

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Total voters
    70
9/10 from me.

Probably the best episode of the show so far.

Not sure what James was sitting blubbing about at the end. Seriously, woman, pick a guy.
Up until now she has been the most stract soldier aside from Master Sergeant Greer. Then aliens attack, a fighter squadron is coming at the ship being met by a single shuttle and she doesn't even think to grab her own weapon and combat gear. Let's see as the other LT was flying, the Colonel was fighting the ship it was whose responsibility to....:klingon:. And worse yet a boarding party captured one of the people she was suppose to protect
 
^There was a lot of focus on the fact that she was sitting over one side of her bed, with the other side empty. She made a prat out of herself but after Scott unceremoniously dumped her for Chloe and then she was very publicly turned down, she clearly feels very lonely.

I don't think this show realises who its audience is. Lets face it, there are a lot more Elis in the audience than Scotts. I think they're wasting their time trying to make us feel sympathy for characters like James and Chloe.
 
I don't think this show realises who its audience is.

I think the show knows its audience well: white males. Which is why the four characters to have gotten the most screen time/development/lines just happen to be ::gasp:: the four white guys in the main cast. :rolleyes:


As for the Eli stuff...some of you dudes who refer to yourself as "geeks" need to stop hoping that TV shows and movies allow you to live out your fantasies. Why should I feel sympathy for Eli just because he wants a relationship with Chloe when she has no interest in having a relationship with him (and appears to be very upfront about that)? Why should she favor Eli over Scott? Its not as if she was close with Eli long before she met Scott or anything like that. She met both guys at basically the same time and its obvious who she was immediately attracted to. So what? Should we blame her for liking the "really cute" guy? If so then Eli deserves just as much blame for being superficial enough to fall for the "really cute" girl, Chloe. If you want to see your fantasies played out go watch SGA again and see how that annoying, crabby smart guy won the heart of the babe over the stud, alpha male warrior.

I basically like Eli but I could care less if he gets a girfriend or not. The guy occupies enough screen time without TPTB needing to add on more for relationship purposes. I'm more interested in Greer's life and TJ's. They are underused while Eli and Scott and Chloe may get too much exposure.

By the way this episode gets a 9/10 from me. The acting from the beginning for this show has been way above those of the previous Stargate series. Some people like to dimiss SGU as being BSG-lite or a BSG wannabe. I like to think of it more like a BSG that doesn't take itself so seriously, and that's a positive in my book. And for the guy who compared this ep unfavorably to the recent episode of "V" I have to shake my head. The new "V" is outright garbage. Its all explosion, all action, all quick sequences but no story and definitely no buildup to anything. And its probably more guilty of employing pretty people than SGU. The new "V" can't hold a candle to the original two miniseries.
 
Not a bad episode but not a great one either.
If i was a unarmed civilian and i saw a alien drilling into the ship i would run to the people with the guns and let them know what was happening not just stand there waiting to be killed/kidnapped. :wtf:
Also why did the female solder who turned the power off not have a gun? :rolleyes:
I think Rush was brought back too soon i wonder if a attempted mutiny is going to be the series final?
 
I think the show knows its audience well: white males. Which is why the four characters to have gotten the most screen time/development/lines just happen to be ::gasp:: the four white guys in the main cast. :rolleyes:

Yeah, because I was totally talking about the lack of diversity in the cast. :rolleyes:

I am not the guy you want to pick that fight with.

As for the Eli stuff...some of you dudes who refer to yourself as "geeks" need to stop hoping that TV shows and movies allow you to live out your fantasies. Why should I feel sympathy for Eli just because he wants a relationship with Chloe when she has no interest in having a relationship with him (and appears to be very upfront about that)? Why should she favor Eli over Scott? Its not as if she was close with Eli long before she met Scott or anything like that. She met both guys at basically the same time and its obvious who she was immediately attracted to. So what? Should we blame her for liking the "really cute" guy? If so then Eli deserves just as much blame for being superficial enough to fall for the "really cute" girl, Chloe. If you want to see your fantasies played out go watch SGA again and see how that annoying, crabby smart guy won the heart of the babe over the stud, alpha male warrior.

I basically like Eli but I could care less if he gets a girfriend or not. The guy occupies enough screen time without TPTB needing to add on more for relationship purposes. I'm more interested in Greer's life and TJ's. They are underused while Eli and Scott and Chloe may get too much exposure.

Again with the not reading other people's posts properly.

It's blindingly obvious why Chloe chose Scott. None of us here are the morons you think we are. Eights go for eights, threes go for threes.

The point is about audience sympathy. We don't care about Chloe because she does not do anything vaguely useful and is an enitrely superflous character. Colonel Young is a murderous scumbag but he's interesting at least. Rush is a treacherous arsehole but he's interesting. Eli is a complete loser but he's interesting. Chloe isn't interesting.

And personally, asking me to feel sympathy for James, a background character, because she can't find someone on a ship full of men is not going to work because I don't feel sorry for women who can't get boyfriends.

The bolding, by the way, is to help you understand the points I'm actually making instead of rolling your eyes at the ones you just made up.
 
I thought it was quite good and the battle felt more meaningful just because SGU is paced - the first real battle of the series.

I appreciated the fact that the aliens are truly alien and they did as well as they could given the CG budget for the show. However, I just don't like their design. Something about it is a bit uncreative.

Also, I had the funny thought at the end: cut ANOTHER hole in the ship? Christ guys! Just keep popping plugs out of the hull for fun and profit! I mean, Chloe, even being the hapless moron that she is, could have simply told Rush to look for the hole she was abducted from. (Yeah, there was a force field, but I'm assuming Destiny would drop it at the sign of a safe atmosphere seal.)
 
I think the show knows its audience well: white males. Which is why the four characters to have gotten the most screen time/development/lines just happen to be ::gasp:: the four white guys in the main cast.

Yeah, because I was totally talking about the lack of diversity in the cast.

Never said you were. My point nonetheless was by making the show primarily about those four characters shows TPTB know exactly who its main audience is despite what you may think.

I am not the guy you want to pick that fight with.

Oooh. You're scaring me. Go play tough with someone you can actually intimidate. Perhaps there’s a three year old in your neighborhood you can spook.

As for the Eli stuff...some of you dudes who refer to yourself as "geeks" need to stop hoping that TV shows and movies allow you to live out your fantasies. Why should I feel sympathy for Eli just because he wants a relationship with Chloe when she has no interest in having a relationship with him (and appears to be very upfront about that)? Why should she favor Eli over Scott? Its not as if she was close with Eli long before she met Scott or anything like that. She met both guys at basically the same time and its obvious who she was immediately attracted to. So what? Should we blame her for liking the "really cute" guy? If so then Eli deserves just as much blame for being superficial enough to fall for the "really cute" girl, Chloe. If you want to see your fantasies played out go watch SGA again and see how that annoying, crabby smart guy won the heart of the babe over the stud, alpha male warrior.

I basically like Eli but I could care less if he gets a girfriend or not. The guy occupies enough screen time without TPTB needing to add on more for relationship purposes. I'm more interested in Greer's life and TJ's. They are underused while Eli and Scott and Chloe may get too much exposure.

Again with the not reading other people's posts properly.

I have read these types of comments on this particular issue on this forum and several others for months on end. It may not be your take on this whole triangle but certainly plenty of other people have been whining about poor, ol Eli. I guess somehow you missed them all.

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The point is about audience sympathy. We don't care about Chloe because she does not do anything vaguely useful and is an enitrely superflous character.

No, it has more to do with the opinions of individuals. Just because a slew of folks seem to have started some sort of crusade against Chloe and Scott and doubt the usefulness of Chloe does not mean that every one feels that way. Some of us are just as fatigued regarding Eli despite TPTB's attempts to make him out to be the most swell and likable guy in the universe. So who is right? No one and everyone. Depends on one's view. Frankly I'm tired about the complaining of the likability of SGU characters; I suppose my tolerance levels are a bit low at this point. I think a lot of the characters on the show are sympathetic but that's not really too important. I care more if the characters are complex, interesting, and unpredictable. Don't think there are any truly likable characters in "The Godfather" or "The Sopranos", but I'm still drawn to the characters. And, yes, I do realize that SGU isn't near the level of those two masterpieces. But then again no Stargate show is.

Point is for me at least Chloe may be bland but she isn't unsympathetic. And unlike some people I don't hate her just because its in fashion to do so. Not saying you feel that way, but just making a case for how some folks out there hate the character for some of the most irrational of reasons. And its gotten to the point that it seems almost personal.

Colonel Young is a murderous scumbag but he's interesting at least. Rush is a treacherous arsehole but he's interesting. Eli is a complete loser but he's interesting. Chloe isn't interesting.

Of course. Maybe its again because the white male writers mostly relate to the white male characters and therefore place their emphasis on the development of white male charactes. This ain't nothing new. Minority charcaters get it far worse than white female characters which is why for example many fans aren't remotely interested in the vast majority of black characters on shows like Lost, Heroes, BSG, Voyager, Enterprise, etc. But I think we should at least allow TPTB for SGU more time before we write off their handling of the Chloe character. And if the Chloe character remains a dud or underdeveloped its not because the character is a bad one. There is no such thing as an uninteresting character, just bad writers who are not as interested in fleshing out characters. A show like "The Wire" can give you 50 or more characters (many of whom are the "unlikable") and yet make them all unique and fascinating. Why? Because of the writing.

And personally, asking me to feel sympathy for James, a background character, because she can't find someone on a ship full of men is not going to work because I don't feel sorry for women who can't get boyfriends.

Fine. I'm not even sure TPTB are going that route. But if you feel that way then please remind your fellow fanboys that many of us don't feel sorry for geeks like Eli who can't get a date. Oh, wait. According to you TPTB should know its audience and make us feel sorry for a guy like Eli but not for a woman like James. I get it now. You are a hypocrite.


The bolding, by the way, is to help you understand the points I'm actually making instead of rolling your eyes at the ones you just made up.

I thought your bolding was just a way for you to reemphasize your stupidity. I was going to say there was no need to because your ignorance already comes through loud and clear.
 
Never said you were. My point nonetheless was by making the show primarily about those four characters shows TPTB know exactly who its main audience is despite what you may think.

Then answer the point I made and not one you just made up if you're going to quote me.

Oooh. You're scaring me. Go play tough with someone you can actually intimidate. Perhaps there’s a three year old in your neighborhood you can spook.

:lol:

You started waffling on about 'white males'. You do not want to get in to that conversation with me. You do not want to get in to a conversation about the barbaric way male characters are treated on television. We already had that thread last week.

I have read these types of comments on this particular issue on this forum and several others for months on end. It may not be your take on this whole triangle but certainly plenty of other people have been whining about poor, ol Eli. I guess somehow you missed them all.

You want to complain about other people's comments, reply to them when they make them. Other people's opinions are not relevant when you answer me.

No, it has more to do with the opinions of individuals. Just because a slew of folks seem to have started some sort of crusade against Chloe and Scott and doubt the usefulness of Chloe does not mean that every one feels that way.

Liking or not liking Chloe is our perogative. Same with Eli, Scott or anyone else. Some characters work, some don't.

Point is for me at least Chloe may be bland but she isn't unsympathetic. And unlike some people I don't hate her just because its in fashion to do so. Not saying you feel that way, but just making a case for how some folks out there hate the character for some of the most irrational of reasons. And its gotten to the point that it seems almost personal.

She's dragging the show down. She's not likable, she's not sympathetic and she does nothing to advance the story in any way shape or form.

Of course. Maybe its again because the white male writers mostly relate to the white male characters and therefore place their emphasis on the development of white male charactes. This ain't nothing new. Minority charcaters get it far worse than white female characters which is why for example many fans aren't remotely interested in the vast majority of black characters on shows like Lost, Heroes, BSG, Voyager, Enterprise, etc. But I think we should at least allow TPTB for SGU more time before we write off their handling of the Chloe character. And if the Chloe character remains a dud or underdeveloped its not because the character is a bad one. There is no such thing as an uninteresting character, just bad writers who are not as interested in fleshing out characters. A show like "The Wire" can give you 50 or more characters (many of whom are the "unlikable") and yet make them all unique and fascinating. Why? Because of the writing.

See, you lost me here at "white male". Remember that part where I said you don't want to pick that fight with me ? It's this one. People who moan all the time about white male this, white male that. Why ? Because this isn't a Joss Whedon show where all the white guys are evil bastards who get beaten up by tiny women every week ?

I'm perfectly willing to accept that Chloe's character is the result of bad writing. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Fine. I'm not even sure TPTB are going that route. But if you feel that way then please remind your fellow fanboys that many of us don't feel sorry for geeks like Eli who can't get a date. Oh, wait. According to you TPTB should know its audience and make us feel sorry for a guy like Eli but not for a woman like James. I get it now. You are a hypocrite.

Nope. I don't feel sorry for women who can't get boyfriends. Not fictional TV women, real women. You can't have your cake and eat it. Either we men are all the horny perverts TV says we are or it's James' own fault.

I thought your bolding was just a way for you to reemphasize your stupidity. I was going to say there was no need to because your ignorance already comes through loud and clear.

:guffaw:

Your ignorance of the real gender and race issues that pervade modern television is the most obvious here. Whining about "white males" ? Still ? Seriously ?
 
Attempted and no he just left Rush on the planet if he really wanted Rush dead he could've made sure with a mere rock. Just leaving him on the planet doesn't make him a murderer though.

So, your argument in Young's defence is that they don't give out Nobel Prizes for attempted chemistry ?
 
Attempted and no he just left Rush on the planet if he really wanted Rush dead he could've made sure with a mere rock. Just leaving him on the planet doesn't make him a murderer though.

So, your argument in Young's defence is that they don't give out Nobel Prizes for attempted chemistry ?

Is Rush dead? And Rush also committed a crime by framing Young for murder.
 
Is Rush dead? And Rush also committed a crime by framing Young for murder.

I'm not defending Rush at all, I criticised him in my very next sentence.

The fact that it didn't work doesn't mean that Young did not do what he did.
 
Is Rush dead? And Rush also committed a crime by framing Young for murder.

I'm not defending Rush at all, I criticised him in my very next sentence.

The fact that it didn't work doesn't mean that Young did not do what he did.

Still leaving Rush on the planet isn't murder, if Young really meant to murder he could've done a better job.
 
Hermiod said:
Nope. I don't feel sorry for women who can't get boyfriends. Not fictional TV women, real women. You can't have your cake and eat it. Either we men are all the horny perverts TV says we are or it's James' own fault.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. Could you please explain? It reads that you're saying that either James is at fault for not having a boyfriend (why is it her fault?) or that "men are all horny perverts."

Are you intending to say that James should have a boyfriend because "men are all the horny perverts" and would date damn near anyone? That doesn't fit your phrasing.

Or are you saying it's James' own fault for not having a boyfriend because men are selective and are not "horny perverts"? That also doesn't fit your phrasing.



Hermiod said:
DWF said:
Attempted and no he just left Rush on the planet if he really wanted Rush dead he could've made sure with a mere rock. Just leaving him on the planet doesn't make him a murderer though.

So, your argument in Young's defence is that they don't give out Nobel Prizes for attempted chemistry ?


Could you also please explain this analogy? I don't see the connection between murder and a Nobel prize--aside, of course, from the insertion of the word "attempted."
 
Hermiod said:
DWF said:
Attempted and no he just left Rush on the planet if he really wanted Rush dead he could've made sure with a mere rock. Just leaving him on the planet doesn't make him a murderer though.

So, your argument in Young's defence is that they don't give out Nobel Prizes for attempted chemistry ?


Could you also please explain this analogy? I don't see the connection between murder and a Nobel prize--aside, of course, from the insertion of the word "attempted."

That's the joke. DWF is saying that Young isn't "murderous" because he didn't actually go through with murdering Rush, he merely left him for dead. Herm disagrees that the actual execution matters, and Young is "murderous" because the intent was still there. He therefore mocked DWF's position with a quote from the Simpsons where convicted attempted-murderer Sideshow Bob tries to blow off his criminal history by saying he was "Convicted of a crime I didn't even commit. Hah! Attempted murder? Now, honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?" The point is that it's an extremely bad analogy, and you shouldn't be excused for a crime because you were too incompetent to actually carry it out.

By the way, good for the episode for not including a bullshitty "Rush may be evil somehow" moment at the end where it's implied he deliberately let the aliens know where the Destiny was going to aid his escape while he was withholding information from their mind probes, like they did with the asinine idea he knew the ship was going to survive the sun-dive and let everyone panic for shits and giggles. I guess the mutiny-planning let them hit their quota for the week.
 
I don't understand why it's so awful for Chloe to not be useful, when we've been told repeatedly that's the entire idea. The fact that Chloe understands this as well just makes it more interesting, to me. If the audience is told over and over again that 'these are the wrong people' and then everyone turns out to have a specific use, then the show would be lying to us. The obvious place to take the Chloe character is to give her angst about this, and slowly have her FIND something to contribute.
 
I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. Could you please explain? It reads that you're saying that either James is at fault for not having a boyfriend (why is it her fault?) or that "men are all horny perverts."

Are you intending to say that James should have a boyfriend because "men are all the horny perverts" and would date damn near anyone? That doesn't fit your phrasing.

Or are you saying it's James' own fault for not having a boyfriend because men are selective and are not "horny perverts"? That also doesn't fit your phrasing.

If the general, television-fuelled stereotype is correct then we men are all horny perverts. It's a stereotype that has been used to bash men for decades. We can't control ourselves, we'll do anything a girl asks us to do, we're all weak-minded simpletons and lots of other things that make women feel superior. If that's all true then there's no excuse for James to be sitting in her quarters alone crying.

It's an extremely patronising attitude that pervades our culture. Until it's dropped, I'm really not going to care about any woman, fictional or not, who can't find male company. It's not something that women, in my view, get to complain or feel sad about and be taken seriously.

As far as the show goes, James has shown character traits that show her belief in the stereotype, such as the incident with Eli. Someone who doesn't gives him the benefit of the doubt. She didn't. If she believes in it, then she should be taking advantage of it instead of moping around in her room.

Could you also please explain this analogy? I don't see the connection between murder and a Nobel prize--aside, of course, from the insertion of the word "attempted."

It's a Simpsons reference, specifically paraphrasing Sideshow Bob:

Bob: Convicted of a crime I didn't even commit. Hah! Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?
 
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