SG-U – Justice (1x10) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

They're definitely not Starfleet, that's for sure. Or even SG-1; I can't imagine O'Neill doing anything remotely like that. Young's got it coming and I think Uncle Rush is gonna deliver it to him.

The interesting thing about Rush is that he seems to have a strange naivety about the outcomes of his controversial choices. It's almost like he doesn't expect people to get so mad at him when he does something, because Rush truly believes that he's doing it for the greater good and can't conceive that anyone else might think differently than himself. He seems genuinely surprised when someone kicks his ass for something. I love that character.

Greer has really grown on me too. His menacing visit to Evil HR Lady's quarters was delicious. I think he scares her.

 

[Reverend]

It would be cool if we don't same the same generic humanoidish aliens so that's something to look forward to.

BTW, good call on comparing Rush to Gendo Ikari from Evangelion... I can definitely see the similarities.

I gotta say I was going to go with maybe a 7 or so for this episode, but that ending probably bumped me up to 9 just because of how unexpected it was.

and Young... Man who's he gonna lay-out next? Telford...Rush...lol

I rather think he has more in common with Avon from 'Blake's 7', but that's just me.

 

[Rusty phaser]

This was absolutely one of my favorites so far. The series really has improved after the rather dull start.

I now have a bit of mixed emotions over both Young and Rush. Previously I really liked both characters, but this week they both showed some rather bad sides of themselves . Rush comes out as the good (ok, relatively speaking) guy for me though simply because Young was such a hypocrite there in the end.

I really liked the scene in the end where Young tells Eli to delete the stuff from his harddrive. That look from Eli is so "I think I know what you just did ....".

Edit; This episode also makes me dislike Chloe even more. Not because anything she actually did, but rather because I have such a hard time of taking her seriously. To me she is mostly something that is nice to look at.

I'm also a bit surprised about TJ. I was under the impression that she was a medic with only the most basic knowledge. I guess I was mistaken since now she really seems to be quite knowledgeable.

 

[Jenee]

The interesting thing about Rush is that he seems to have a strange naivety about the outcomes of his controversial choices. It's almost like he doesn't expect people to get so mad at him when he does something, because Rush truly believes that he's doing it for the greater good and can't conceive that anyone else might think differently than himself. He seems genuinely surprised when someone kicks his ass for something. I love that character.

So ..., he's an Aquarian.

 

[Danny99]

The interesting thing about Rush is that he seems to have a strange naivety about the outcomes of his controversial choices. It's almost like he doesn't expect people to get so mad at him when he does something, because Rush truly believes that he's doing it for the greater good and can't conceive that anyone else might think differently than himself. He seems genuinely surprised when someone kicks his ass for something. I love that character.

I totally agree 100%. That's what makes Rush such a good character.

I'm relieved to see that Young is being written to be an unsure and flawed leader, which makes me give the actor some slack as I thought he just couldn't act.

And if I was supposed to give Wray any kind of sympathy this episode after seeing her with her wife/girlfriend, then the writers struck out. Wray is a bitch, plain and simple.

 

[Othello]

It sounds like I'm the only one who likes Rush.

I think the Rush character is AWESOME!!. LOL

Great episode. Loved the ending.

 

[Islander]

The question is when he gets back (cause you know he will somehow) will he rat Young out.

Honestly, I hope he doesn't get back. Not that I don't like Rush, on the contrairy and I'm piss at this event, but I just think it would completely fuck up the dynamic. Like framing Young was bad enough and pretty dark but trying to kill Rush ('cuz leaving him alone on that rock planet means exactly that) is another step. There's a big difference between not trusting what the other will do and fearing he might kill you (and that goes both ways). Having them both continue to work side by work is mindboggling.

 

[Harvey]

I'm not sure how the writers plan on having Young and Rush reconcile when they inevitably meet again.

I really disliked this episode, to be honest. It was trying to tackle too many plot threads at once, and as a result couldn't focus on anything. Discovering the alien ship, activating the ancient chair, Camille Wray taking over command, Young being put on trial for murder, Chloe fulfilling a function for once and acting as Young's defense, Scott and Greer planning a completely ill-advised military coup--not one of these plot threads was given enough time to be developed into anything interesting.

I don't like how the writers have written Rush, either. I find it hard to believe that he would go so far as to frame Young for murder (and so carelessly). And then he confesses to Young on the planet when no evidence was ever presented (I was convinced Young made up the story about the Kino continuing to record to get Rush to confess until the final scene with Young and Eli, and even that was frustrating in its lack of clarity).

Speaking more generally, the way all of the characters seem to be constantly arguing with each other continues to destroy any belief that these characters ever were disciplined professionals.

Lastly, Greer brings up racial injustice at a time when it has little bearing to the witchhunt against Young, and then later the episode seems to legitimize racial fears by having Greer pointlessly menace Wray. Ugh. It was less offensive when the only black member of the cast was a noble savage. Now we get the threatening psycho stereotype.

3/10.

 

[DWF]

I'm not sure how the writers plan on having Young and Rush reconcile when they inevitably meet again.

I really disliked this episode, to be honest. It was trying to tackle too many plot threads at once, and as a result couldn't focus on anything. Discovering the alien ship, activating the ancient chair, Camille Wray taking over command, Young being put on trial for murder, Chloe fulfilling a function for once and acting as Young's defense, Scott and Greer planning a completely ill-advised military coup--not one of these plot threads was given enough time to be developed into anything interesting.

I don't like how the writers have written Rush, either. I find it hard to believe that he would go so far as to frame Young for murder (and so carelessly). And then he confesses to Young on the planet when no evidence was ever presented (I was convinced Young made up the story about the Kino continuing to record to get Rush to confess until the final scene with Young and Eli, and even that was frustrating in its lack of clarity).

Speaking more generally, the way all of the characters seem to be constantly arguing with each other continues to destroy any belief that these characters ever were disciplined professionals.

Lastly, Greer brings up racial injustice at a time when it has little bearing to the witchhunt against Young, and then later the episode seems to legitimize racial fears by having Greer pointlessly menace Wray. Ugh. It was less offensive when the only black member of the cast was a noble savage. Now we get the threatening psycho stereotype.

3/10.

It is a two parter and the first part was mainly a set up for the second like normal, so I do think your answers will come with time. And Greer's personality was set before the series started we knew what kind of personality he had, although I do think he's more complex than that.

 

[Harvey]

I'm sure answers will come, but I'm highly skeptical that they will be satisfying. I also understand the episode was set-up. My gripe is not that the episode lacked pay-off, but that the set-up lacked focus. The writers were trying to accomplish too much in 42 minutes.

Speaking on Greer, the fact that his personality was established in the pilot hardly negates my point. Half the season has aired. I'm still waiting for him to develop into someone complex.

But we'll see (When will we see, by the way? Will SyFy wait to air half or all of Caprica before bringing back SGU?).

 

[Tom]

It would be cool if we don't same the same generic humanoidish aliens so that's something to look forward to.

BTW, good call on comparing Rush to Gendo Ikari from Evangelion... I can definitely see the similarities.

I gotta say I was going to go with maybe a 7 or so for this episode, but that ending probably bumped me up to 9 just because of how unexpected it was.

and Young... Man who's he gonna lay-out next? Telford...Rush...lol

I rather think he has more in common with Avon from 'Blake's 7', but that's just me.

You know your right, he is almost exactly like Avon, very smart, not a people person, will do what it takes to get things done, very deceptive and cunning at time. Could you imagine if Paul Darrow played Rush, love that actor.

 

[Snaploud]

I'm still not clear on what evidence pointed to Young. Did I miss something?

 

[Harvey]

The gun that was found in his room? The fact that he didn't have a strong alabi during the the shooting (he was asleep)?

 

[Snaploud]

The gun that was found in his room? The fact that he didn't have a strong alabi during the the shooting (he was asleep)?

Ah, okay. I didn't realize it was his room. Still, that would be a pretty stupid place for him to put the weapon. Their evidence only works if they believe he's an idiot.

 

[DWF]

I'm sure answers will come, but I'm highly skeptical that they will be satisfying. I also understand the episode was set-up. My gripe is not that the episode lacked pay-off, but that the set-up lacked focus. The writers were trying to accomplish too much in 42 minutes.

Speaking on Greer, the fact that his personality was established in the pilot hardly negates my point. Half the season has aired. I'm still waiting for him to develop into someone complex.

But we'll see (When will we see, by the way? Will SyFy wait to air half or all of Caprica before bringing back SGU?).

April from what I've seen is when Universe returns. I suspect though that we won't be seeing Rush return to the Destiny until the two part season finale. And Greer's backstory is supposed to be examed, hitting Telford though is a real plus for me though.

 

[Harvey]

Yes, because assaulting a superior officer was a mature way to deal with the situation.

April is a long way off. I guess they're waiting until Caprica has finished its spot in the rotation. I long for the days of Sci-Fi Fridays.

 

[sidious618]

I wasn't surprised at all that Rush framed him. It seems to be consistent with his actions so far. It's not like he did it because he didn't like Young but rather because he thought it was a necessity if they are to survive.

 

[Yoda]

I went with a 5... for the most part the episode sucked. The 'mystery' was way too transparent... it was just a shitty version of the BSG Season 1 witch hunt episode, just with more stupidity and far worse acting.

The ending was pretty cool, though it's mighty convenient that he managed to get stranded on a planet with an alien spaceship, and there's a pretty obvious path for that to take... also very similar to something that happened in BSG S1... interesting.

 

[Ryan]

It sounds like I'm the only one who likes Rush.

I think he's a great character. And just when it looked like Rush was toeing his way to bland good guy territory he takes a big jump back toward amoral bastard. Spikeification diverted.

It's also worth noting everything Rush said about Colonel Young was spot-on. They both seem to pick the other's flaws out instantly.

 

[BenRoethig]

I like Rush. He's a fascinating character.

It's kinda of refreshing when things aren't so black and white. He may be the closest thing to a bad guy on the show, but at the same time, they know they need him.

They're definitely not Starfleet, that's for sure. Or even SG-1; I can't imagine O'Neill doing anything remotely like that. Young's got it coming and I think Uncle Rush is gonna deliver it to him.

The interesting thing about Rush is that he seems to have a strange naivety about the outcomes of his controversial choices. It's almost like he doesn't expect people to get so mad at him when he does something, because Rush truly believes that he's doing it for the greater good and can't conceive that anyone else might think differently than himself. He seems genuinely surprised when someone kicks his ass for something. I love that character.

Rush is suffering from something I like to call irrational rationalism. He's completely lost objectivity and believes the logic of his decision is infallible.