SG-U – Earth (1x07) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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The home bits are painful to watch. I suppose this is leading up to that Ming Na episode that caused the controversy earlier in the summer, but man. How the hell hasn't that Stargate program gotten out yet, if dudes are possessing other dude's bodies just to get laid?
Unless that MD has the right equipment for the job or can understand how the computers work on Destiny it's a waste of time to bring in an expert.
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She stikes me as someone who normally runs in circles with vegans, kosher and halel keeping people. Besides I am contrasting her with the Colonels and the kids behaviour. As we see more is going to come from the Colonels behavior. Either Col Telford and Mrs Young were having or will have an affair. I doubt if Soap Opera Destiny will have hime rape her by fraud.
She stikes me as someone who normally runs in circles with vegans, kosher and halel keeping people. Besides I am contrasting her with the Colonels and the kids behaviour. As we see more is going to come from the Colonels behavior. Either Col Telford and Mrs Young were having or will have an affair. I doubt if Soap Opera Destiny will have hime rape her by fraud.
Controversy? Could you elaborate?
Stargate. All grown up. 
For me, this episode was all over the place. 6/10 overall.
Telford/Greer = Tigh/Starbuck, there wasn't a whole lot there to comment on yet, I'm just waiting for Greer to throw out the "striking a superior asshole" line.
Col. Young is a total chump. He's completely unwilling to command people it's a bit silly. Then he uses Telford's body to sex up his (ex?) wife? WTF... even if you get past the part where it's a huge violation of Telford there's the matter of banging your woman with Telford's body. Real smart, have your woman craving the Telford wang... what the hell is wrong with you? I hope his woman is fertile, so that she has a Telford pregnancy, just to drive home how big of a chump Young really is. And kudos to Telford for presumably going to get some at the end of the episode. Him and Young seemingly have a real hatred built up, and that's a great way to get back at him.
What's with Rush and Telford... isn't Telford the one who declared Rush in command during the pilot? Did I get the wrong impression... I thought those two had their own agenda, but apparently not. Out of Rush, Young, and Telford, not a one of them trusts another.... uhh..ok
Eli and Chloe... Eli and Chloe... what can I say. Chloe is just an unlikable brat. I'll admit I got some pleasure out of watching her realize that her friends were generally people that used her (and her dad)... I laughed at the Philip Fry stuff line, that was good. Eli in general was pretty good, and I liked how Chloe managed to pwn his contentment twice in a row, by pointing out that the girl was attracted to the guy whose body he was in, and then throwing out platitudes and banishing him to the friend zone. It's good because it's what really happens, and more importantly, it's not happening to ME, so I can get a laugh out of it and feel like I'm smarter than Eli.
I'm still against the swappy stones in general... and the fact that they can go around and do whatever the hell they want with no supervision, as others have pointed out, is completely ridiculous. Or even just the fact that Eli was wondering whether he could tell his mom the truth or not... there is no way a secret operation like this would be so lax, and surely the Stargate program should be exposed by now due to the complete lack of care for secrecy, and the fact that seemingly thousands of people have direct knowledge of off-world activities.
The one scene that struck me as downright terrible was Chloe and her mom, with the ridiculous sad piano music and everything... my god...
Telford/Greer = Tigh/Starbuck, there wasn't a whole lot there to comment on yet, I'm just waiting for Greer to throw out the "striking a superior asshole" line.
Col. Young is a total chump. He's completely unwilling to command people it's a bit silly. Then he uses Telford's body to sex up his (ex?) wife? WTF... even if you get past the part where it's a huge violation of Telford there's the matter of banging your woman with Telford's body. Real smart, have your woman craving the Telford wang... what the hell is wrong with you? I hope his woman is fertile, so that she has a Telford pregnancy, just to drive home how big of a chump Young really is. And kudos to Telford for presumably going to get some at the end of the episode. Him and Young seemingly have a real hatred built up, and that's a great way to get back at him.
What's with Rush and Telford... isn't Telford the one who declared Rush in command during the pilot? Did I get the wrong impression... I thought those two had their own agenda, but apparently not. Out of Rush, Young, and Telford, not a one of them trusts another.... uhh..ok
Eli and Chloe... Eli and Chloe... what can I say. Chloe is just an unlikable brat. I'll admit I got some pleasure out of watching her realize that her friends were generally people that used her (and her dad)... I laughed at the Philip Fry stuff line, that was good. Eli in general was pretty good, and I liked how Chloe managed to pwn his contentment twice in a row, by pointing out that the girl was attracted to the guy whose body he was in, and then throwing out platitudes and banishing him to the friend zone. It's good because it's what really happens, and more importantly, it's not happening to ME, so I can get a laugh out of it and feel like I'm smarter than Eli.
I'm still against the swappy stones in general... and the fact that they can go around and do whatever the hell they want with no supervision, as others have pointed out, is completely ridiculous. Or even just the fact that Eli was wondering whether he could tell his mom the truth or not... there is no way a secret operation like this would be so lax, and surely the Stargate program should be exposed by now due to the complete lack of care for secrecy, and the fact that seemingly thousands of people have direct knowledge of off-world activities.
The one scene that struck me as downright terrible was Chloe and her mom, with the ridiculous sad piano music and everything... my god...
5, this one was tedious. The stuff on Earth was just dull. Too soapy. Not looking forward to the future soap material of Telford (sp?) and Young's wife that this episode set up. We knew that they would not be rescued in this episode. I didn't mind the stones before but I hate them now. Having the Earth intrigue creep aboard the ship is not welcomed.
Fail all around. I don't know, maybe a 5 is generous. This one bored me AND I'm afraid of the implied future developments.
Mr Awe
Fail all around. I don't know, maybe a 5 is generous. This one bored me AND I'm afraid of the implied future developments.
Mr Awe
I didn't like this episode at all! 
I lost a lot of respect for Young as a leader for pushing the affair with TJ and then go home to try his luck with his wife. That's something the civilians can afford to do but the leader of the expedition can't afford to have this kind of relationship drama with the lower ranks cloud his judgement!
I also agree with what people have said before about the body swap stones and supervision. People who allow them to use their bodies should get some confirmation that the bodies be used with respect. What if the body Chloe was in was a former alchoholic or someone had an STD? It's very unresponsible of them to use the bodies the way they did in this episode. Especially since they keep jumping back and forth between the bodies.
Well, I hope next episode will get the series back on track! This one was a disappointment!
I lost a lot of respect for Young as a leader for pushing the affair with TJ and then go home to try his luck with his wife. That's something the civilians can afford to do but the leader of the expedition can't afford to have this kind of relationship drama with the lower ranks cloud his judgement!
I also agree with what people have said before about the body swap stones and supervision. People who allow them to use their bodies should get some confirmation that the bodies be used with respect. What if the body Chloe was in was a former alchoholic or someone had an STD? It's very unresponsible of them to use the bodies the way they did in this episode. Especially since they keep jumping back and forth between the bodies.
Well, I hope next episode will get the series back on track! This one was a disappointment!
The Ming Na character is a lesbian. At some point, she switches body with someone on Earth who is in a relationship with a man on Destiny and they end up having sex. Basically, they turn the lesbian character straight for an episode and there are apparently lots of contrived ethical implications
I don't think he's there to trick her (not in that way, anyway). I think Telford's lonely. He desperately wants to belong somewhere or to be important to someone. He wants to be a hero. His attempts to fulfill his hero complex keep ending in frustration on Destiny.
But because of what happened during the FTL interrupt, now there's something else to hold him over. There's an emotionally vulnerable woman who could give him both a place to belong and someone to rescue. He could be her hero. He's probably going to try and get to know her. He'll offer his emotional support. He'll come around regularly to comfort her with updates about her husband. And then when he sees an opening, he'll seduce her.
I thought it was incredibly stupid of Young to have sex with his wife in another man's body. Even if she has no intention right now of cheating on him or leaving him for another man, she's screwing Telford's body, looking into Telford's eyes, and associating another man with the feelings she has for Young. She's only human, that's bound to confuse her. Young might as well have handed her to Telford on a silver platter.
That scene made me seriously doubt his ability to make a wise decision. This guy just doesn't think ahead. But what I love about that is it's totally in character for him. He tried to dial home even though Rush warned him they didn't have the power, he let people use all sorts of onboard systems even though Rush had told him they didn't have the power, and now he reconnected with his wife without thinking that he was also connecting her to another man. Young's a bit of a moron.
This interests me. This creates a lot of room for gut-wrenching storytelling, especially since this show seems to love exploring the consequences of hasty decisions.
The scene with Eli and his Mom was good.
Other than that: More "nu" storytelling. Grown men and women who are supposed to be highly competent professionals act like retarded adolescents. The most exotic thing we see in this alleged sci-fi show is a bar band. And poor Colonel O'Neill is turned into a bureaucratic dullard in charge of a Stargate program that apparently has lost not only any hint of competency, but any concept of policies and procedures.
Embarrassing.
Other than that: More "nu" storytelling. Grown men and women who are supposed to be highly competent professionals act like retarded adolescents. The most exotic thing we see in this alleged sci-fi show is a bar band. And poor Colonel O'Neill is turned into a bureaucratic dullard in charge of a Stargate program that apparently has lost not only any hint of competency, but any concept of policies and procedures.
Embarrassing.
I liked this episode and the cameo for O'Neill. I've liked his brief scenes in SGU so far. He seems far more like a general than on SG-1 or SGA, not as quip heavy.
The scene at the end with Telford was pretty low down. Wow, I've never disliked Lou Diamond Phillips until this moment. How you going to sex another man's wife because you're pissed at him? I'm suprised that the SGU writers are even going down this direction in terms of their characters. I really think they are committed to make a relatively edgier and darker show for real. Overall I'm liking how the writers are willing to make these characters flawed, but they have to be careful not to push all of them into the unlikable category. Right now, I don't think they have, for me at least. Except Telford, but he's supposed to be a bastard anyway I suppose.
The scene at the end with Telford was pretty low down. Wow, I've never disliked Lou Diamond Phillips until this moment. How you going to sex another man's wife because you're pissed at him? I'm suprised that the SGU writers are even going down this direction in terms of their characters. I really think they are committed to make a relatively edgier and darker show for real. Overall I'm liking how the writers are willing to make these characters flawed, but they have to be careful not to push all of them into the unlikable category. Right now, I don't think they have, for me at least. Except Telford, but he's supposed to be a bastard anyway I suppose.
They're not supposed to be highly competent professionals. They remind us of that every other episode when someone literally says something like "they're the wrong people in the wrong place at the wrong time."
Only one of them (the broom closet banger) is supposed to be competent. The rest are supposed to be burnt out, duplicitous, crazy, or otherwise ill equipped for this kind of thing.
Wait a minute they all are, or should be highly motivated special forces or scientist on a top secret program. The "just a cook's" mentality just don't make sense. even cooks on a submarine are submariners and qualify for their dolphins. They might not have been prepared for a gate mission themselves but they should NOT be "duplicitous or crazy"
Of course it makes sense. In light of what's been in the news this past week (a trained professional soldier was nevertheless crazy enough to murder his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood), what doesn't make sense is challenging the notion that professional soldiers can be crazy or duplicitous and not be dismissed. The Fort Hood shooter had recently been promoted, even after they'd discovered his crazy online rants. In SGU, the crazy soldier was in the brig where he belonged, and the duplicitous scientist was the only person they could find who was smart enough to figure out how to work that last chevron (but only with the help of an even less ideal person, Eli, whom they only found through an act of desperation). And no, they shouldn't all be highly motivated. Two of them (Young and the medic) were hoping to quit for personal reasons before they got stuck on Destiny. With one exception, the motivated people who were SUPPOSED to gate to Destiny didn't make it there, as Telford keeps reminding us.
I think the writers did a good job explaining why these are the wrong people and why they ended up on this mission.
I don't sympathize with any of the griping I've read about this show so far. If I wanted to watch a show about a bunch of ideal servicemen and women who are well-suited to be lost in space, who act like "adults" (which around here seems to mean they're not interested in hot sex, in which case I feel sorry for any adults here), I'd watch Voyager. And be bored to death.
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