SG-U – Divided (1x12) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[DWF]

Re: SG-U

Just O'Neill who told him in Earth that he's in charge and it's not a democracy.

Except Young determines who communicates with Earth and also when and how often.

What is O'Neill going to do about it anyway ? O'Neill wouldn't have left a civilian to die on an otherwise uninhabited planet. Sure, you can make the argument that Rush caused that by framing Young, but a responsible person removes himself from that issue and allows an objective authority to decide Rush's punishment.

And yet it was somehow pefectly acceptable for O'Neill to order the closing of the iris in The Other Side killing Alar. Here's something else to think about, Young didn't tell everybody that Rush framed him for murder something even Rush was surprised by.

 

[The Wormhole]

The premise of this episode is just flawed. The civilians feel they should be in charge. Huh? On what grounds. Icarus base was a military installation. That meant the military was in charge. Indeed, Colonel Young was the commanding officer. Everyone on the base, military and civilian alike answers to him, and he answers to General O'Neill and probably General Landry too, if he still in command of the SGC. Anyway, the civilians would likely have to sign a contract stating they accept the authority of their military commander, much as civilians working for the military in real life do. The only gray area here would be Wray, as IOA watchdog, she'd answer to the IOA, but she wouldn't be allowed to subvert Young's authority.

So when they all leave Icarus and arrive on Destiny, nothing should have changed, Young is still there, and so are most of the military personel. Therefore, the military authority is still in place, and the civilians have to fall in line, like they originally agreed to.

Now, Wray would of course still stir trouble because she's IOA and that's what the IOA do. And Rush is Rush, so he's obviously going to join in. But all the rest of them? Seeing as how Rush is both abusive of all of them and the guy who got them into this mess, everyone has always been against him. So why are they now siding with him? And Wray shouldn't have had that much pull with them as just the IOA watchdog.

I'm sorry, this episode just doesn't work for me, and it actually helps the BSG comparisons everyone's been making. "Hey guys, remember Gaeta's mutiny? Let's do that with Dr. Rush."

 

[Othello]

I rated it a 10. The two opening episodes to this season are extremely good and setting up quite a storytelling arc. While i really enjoyed the first half of this season I gotta say that the final episode of last season and first two of this are VERY good and compelling tv.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Re: SG-U – Divided (1x12) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

How did Chloe and Rush get their clothes back?

We stopped by the alien laundromat before escaping...

Young sewed them up some new threads.

 

[Star Wolf]

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Or else! seems to be the way Young is running the ship, sure.

So if Rush runs things it is the same do it, no questions asked because if you knowb why I am not as special. Or Wray because it is her destiny to command. The same exact things are happening, locking up part of the crew without trial until they submit to her. The only difference is that the new commander did not go to basic training. As someone pointed out Dr Rush ordered the shooting of another doctor to save the DHD.

 

[Graywand2]

How many here feel that the mutiny was an utterly pointless endeavor? All they did was break laws that could get them up on very serious charges if they ever get back to Earth. For no good reason.

 

[Harvey]

4.

The mutiny was poorly conceived with no tangible goal. It seems like the only way the writers can make us side with the military on this show is to have the civilians behave like incompetent morons. Chloe seems to help the mutineers because...she had to do something this week. It doesn't make much sense, especially since the writers have been so aggressively pushing her supposed romance with Scott, though she still has absolutely zero chemistry with him.

It doesn't matter, though, because apparently the consequences of this week are also zero. I'm with Temis. Fire the writing staff.

And when was the last time they used to Stargate to, you know, explore the universe and all that?

 

[David cgc]

Well, two episodes ago, actually. They found a big alien spaceship and rolled around in the dirt a bit. It wasn't that great.

 

[BenRoethig]

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TJ was right. What was the end game, lock the military personnel in the brig until an alien actually boarded the ship...again?

The point was to force an agreement where the military personnel accept civilian authority, just like Wray said.

Right now, Young is acting exactly as I expected him to - like someone who doesn't have anyone to answer to.

To accept civilian authority, the civilians actually have to have authority. The only one who actually had any was Senator Armstrong. Armstrong is a representative of an oversight agency, Chloe is congressional staffer, and the rest are civilian air force contractors assigned to a military project. None of them were placed in power by legitimate civilians government officials. You don't get to walk up to the nearest military base and say "I'm a civilian, I'm in charge now". They tried to seize control illegally.

 

[Star Wolf]

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Well, two episodes ago, actually. They found a big alien spaceship and rolled around in the dirt a bit. It wasn't that great.

So far the premise of this show is that the stargate is not a stargate but a transporter and Destiny herself will decide when to jump out of transporter range. Thus no time is left to actually explore things like a spaceship.

 

[Kpnuts]

Not seen this seen this episode yet.

Are we back to lots of angry extremely uninteresting and unlikeable people arguing and yelling at each other in a dark dull ship?

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

What a bunch of morons.
Civilians: "You're a military dictatorship! That's not fair!"
Military: "We were in charge on Icarus base, and you didn't have a problem with it."
Civilians: "That's not the point! Dictators!"
Military: "Shut up! Sit down! Go to your quarters!"
Civilians: "Or what, you'll shoot me?"
Military: "Yeah."
Civilians: "Oh. Okay."

Like a couple others said, the civilians aren't really thinking. Wray is not 'government', she's IOA, and while the IOA is supposed to OVERSEE the military, they are not in charge. As much as I hate to say it, I miss Woolsey.

I really liked the look on Rush's face when he realized Young was actually going to shoot him, and the scene between Greer and the civilian whose name I can't remember. Not that they really said anything, but it very much felt like
"You're not gonna shoot me, are you?"
"I's thinkin' about it."
"Oh. Crap."

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Not seen this seen this episode yet.

Are we back to lots of angry extremely uninteresting and unlikeable people arguing and yelling at each other in a dark dull ship?

Back to? We never left.

 

[StarshipDefiant]

Add to that, telling someone they are going to starve/dehydrate to death if they don't submit to you isn't a peaceful protest. James rifle whipped the civilian because he rushed her, after receiving a clear, audible warning to do nothing but get down on the frakkin; floor. I think James showed remarkable restraint by not shooting the person that rushed her, becuase as it was an attack against her, she had a right to.

As for the other guy who aimed a gun at them, what did he do wrong? During their mutiny/treason/whatever, the man demanded access to his CO, they refused said access.

As for when Greer shot that guy, what was he supposed to do, let him run through the gate with the only way off world? Without the device the guy was holding, they wouldn't have even been able to contact the ship to inform them what happened and request help. Greer was justified, even if it wasn't the best of situations.

Young is controlling who accesses the stones and when, becuase as Young pointed out, Rush had kept a Communications Stone and it got left behind on the alien ship. Not to mention, after all is said and done, Rush tried to keep the fact he had a tracking device inside of himself from everyone, even Wray seemed upset at this revelation.

O'Neill placed Young in charge, Wray and the IOA can't seem to accept this for whatever reason, Rush has selfish reasons, the others... I have to wonder why everyone isn't pissed at Rush, in the pilot the military was trying to Dial Earth, Rush altered it to dial the ship. Bah.

I hope there's issues between Scott and Chloe, what with her randomly helping the civilians, even though in previous episodes, she sided with Scott/the Military.

 

[QCzar]

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Harvey, the whole thing ends up being a pointless exercise in appealing to vanity (the whole "wrong people" thing again) because the writers/Wright and Malozzi/SyFy don't really want to change anything, so they make Rush uncharacteristically stupid (the docking clamp thing, the life-support thing) as a plot device and make pretty much all the civilians into the most unsympathetic bunch of bumbling nimwits they could get away with. They chose an anemic, cowardly way out. They made the civilians into villains. Wray has become a less violent version of Cowan or Colya and the civvies have become the Genii.

If (and I stress "IF") Wright and Malozzi realize that the civilian vs military thing is a septic, lifeless subplot that will dig them a hole they can't get out of (as happened to Moore & Eick w/BSG) and drop it, we can move one step closer to the show maturing just that little bit.

 

[broberfett]

How the hell will they get over the bad blood on this one? I don't think they could ever get along again. Members of the crew would be trying to off Young and Rush. Eli doesn't trust Chloe so much anymore(He could get over it by thinking with his dick). Ming-Na just seems like a total bitch and she was a leader of the mutiny. The military guys will have it out for her.

Are there even two buddies on the ship? Chloe and Scott are fuck buddies, but that could go south at any time. The crew doesn't seem to band together out of working for the same cause. It seems like the only reason to mutiny would be if you had totally given up on going home or you were being severely abused on a daily basis. It sucks on the ship, but the military guys aren't raping the women and beating everybody(except for the mutiny-starve you dehydrate you to death situations). Young should have talked about the murder frame up instead of concealing it. He just looks like he left Rush behind on a whim.

 

[Brent]

The whole thing about trying to form a civilian government on the ship is not needed. They are not totally cut off from Earth. IF they were, then I could see something like this happening. But it makes NO sense because they are in constant communication with Earth, and the SGC and they are their government. Young was put in charge, plain and simple, right man or not, if anyone has a problem with that they should speak to the people in charge at the SGC. They have no right to take it upon themselves when they can go to the leaders at the SGC and take their orders from them. I just don't get it.

 

[Graywand2]

The entire time I kept expecting some alien device to be controlling the crew. It was that nonsensical.

 

[Star Wolf]

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The entire time I kept expecting some alien device to be controlling the crew. It was that nonsensical.

Destiny is that device. If Rush decides to hold fire or Young decides to shoot the ship just stays until the batteries run low then she jumps.

 

[gturner]

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Please. There contract ended with Icarus destruction. Destiny is not a SGC or USA or any other country property hence SG personal have no real authority there.

The only reason Young was incharge, because people were scared, and a guys with a Gun seemed like a safe bet. But now that Rush with other scientist pretty much runs all operations there, Young is just an inconvenience who stands in there way of doing there job.

And lets not forget, they " are " civilians. Imagine right now, if your government invoke a Martial law for no apparent reason. Would you stay quietly in your homes and pretend like everything is alright?

Yes, the SGC personnel do have authority. When you're on board a vessel operated by a navy, the navy is in charge of the vessel - even if it wasn't built by the navy (for example, if it was seized by navy personnel, which is quite common).

Even though the ocean isn't the admiralty or any country's property, the navy personnel are still in charge. No matter how much you don't like them, an attempt to seize the vessel by force is mutiny, possibly piracy, and the usual punishment for that has historically been death.

The laws of the sea and air are extremely harsh on the subject, compared to regular civil law on land, because disorder on a vessel can easily result in the death of everyone on board.

Next time you're on an airliner with a bunch of friends, you could try outvoting the flight crew, seize control of the plane, and see what the consequences are, but we all pretty much know. That's what Rush and Wray did.