SG-U – Divided (1x12) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[Docbrown777]

It just feels so manufactured.

Good drama series (Science Fiction or not) have stories that flow. The viewer can relate to the actions of the characters.

Everything in Universe just feels forced and the character's actions don't make a lot of sense. Everyone just acts a fool.

 

[Valandil]

Really, really enjoyed this episode.

 

[Jax]

Why the hell did the Doc tell the airman or whatever rank he is to put the gun down? stupid or what. Apart from that a solid enough episode though I would of prefered less alien and more human conflict in this (like the BSG 2 parter with cain). I think the story could of worked as a 2 parter with the aliens in part 2.

Those aliens seem low tech so I can't take them seriously as bad guys, they seem way to average on tech, that tracker was too easy to remove and there weps are SHITE.

 

[Othello]

How the hell will they get over the bad blood on this one? I don't think they could ever get along again. Members of the crew would be trying to off Young and Rush. Eli doesn't trust Chloe so much anymore(He could get over it by thinking with his dick). Ming-Na just seems like a total bitch and she was a leader of the mutiny. The military guys will have it out for her.

Are there even two buddies on the ship? Chloe and Scott are fuck buddies, but that could go south at any time. The crew doesn't seem to band together out of working for the same cause. It seems like the only reason to mutiny would be if you had totally given up on going home or you were being severely abused on a daily basis. It sucks on the ship, but the military guys aren't raping the women and beating everybody(except for the mutiny-starve you dehydrate you to death situations). Young should have talked about the murder frame up instead of concealing it. He just looks like he left Rush behind on a whim.

They won't. And it wasn't as ill conceived as people say it was. In fact if not for the unfortunate timing of the attack it would have been perfectly executed. Rush didn't do what Young did and try and kill him when he became inconveinant.

Rush may be a prick, and most certainly went too far with the frame up, but Young is willing to murder someone just because they are a pain in the ass.

I REALLY like this show, potentially even more than SG-1 or Atlantis, because it has a much darker vibe to it. Just like DS9 is by far the best Trek, this has the possibility of by far being the best Stargate show.

 

[Othello]

You know, I see a lot of people saying how stupid it is for the civilians to take over the Destiny by quoting the rule book or legality. That's completely missing the point of the mutiny.

The civilians mutinied because Young is crazy. Leaving Rush behind on the planet to die (which I admit not everyone knew, but strongly suspected) pretty much convinced them Young needed to go. It wasn't because the rule book says civilians should lead. It's because their current commanding officer is batshit insane. If Young had been, say General Hammond, I'm pretty sure the civilians would be quite happy being led by the military.

Jeez, I can't believe I'm defending SG:U. My how the tables have turned.

There it is.

 

[Othello]

You know, I see a lot of people saying how stupid it is for the civilians to take over the Destiny by quoting the rule book or legality. That's completely missing the point of the mutiny.

The civilians mutinied because Young is crazy. Leaving Rush behind on the planet to die (which I admit not everyone knew, but strongly suspected) pretty much convinced them Young needed to go. It wasn't because the rule book says civilians should lead. It's because their current commanding officer is batshit insane. If Young had been, say General Hammond, I'm pretty sure the civilians would be quite happy being led by the military.

Jeez, I can't believe I'm defending SG:U. My how the tables have turned.

The problem is is that the show isn't really protraying anything like that. All the civilians are just acting like whiny crybabies being led by opportunistic fools (Wray and Rush). Meanwhile the military are just a bunch of tough guys/girls following Young with blind loyalty. While there would be understandable tension between the two groups, I doubt they would all be at each other's throats.

Besides, in the first ten episodes everyone hated Dr. Rush, military and civilian alike. Why are the civilians siding with him now that Young tried to get rid of him?

Really quite simple and answered in several posts. If you see someone willing to kill a fellow passenger like Young was so happy to do with Rush, a person who can help them survive more than just about anyone, if not everyone, on that ship, you realize that person would do the EXACT SAME THING to you without a second thought to it. Like him or not people realize that Rush has kept them alive in many situations where Young most certainly cannot. And despite how smart Eli is, he's not as smart as Rush. People want to survive. period and Rush helps them do that in many ways a hell of a lot more than Young does.

 

[Star Wolf]

Re: SG-U

You know, I see a lot of people saying how stupid it is for the civilians to take over the Destiny by quoting the rule book or legality. That's completely missing the point of the mutiny.

The civilians mutinied because Young is crazy. Leaving Rush behind on the planet to die (which I admit not everyone knew, but strongly suspected) pretty much convinced them Young needed to go. It wasn't because the rule book says civilians should lead. It's because their current commanding officer is batshit insane. If Young had been, say General Hammond, I'm pretty sure the civilians would be quite happy being led by the military.

Jeez, I can't believe I'm defending SG:U. My how the tables have turned.

The problem is is that the show isn't really protraying anything like that. All the civilians are just acting like whiny crybabies being led by opportunistic fools (Wray and Rush). Meanwhile the military are just a bunch of tough guys/girls following Young with blind loyalty. While there would be understandable tension between the two groups, I doubt they would all be at each other's throats.

Besides, in the first ten episodes everyone hated Dr. Rush, military and civilian alike. Why are the civilians siding with him now that Young tried to get rid of him?

Really quite simple and answered in several posts. If you see someone willing to kill a fellow passenger like Young was so happy to do with Rush, a person who can help them survive more than just about anyone, if not everyone, on that ship, you realize that person would do the EXACT SAME THING to you without a second thought to it. Like him or not people realize that Rush has kept them alive in many situations where Young most certainly cannot. And despite how smart Eli is, he's not as smart as Rush. People want to survive. period and Rush helps them do that in many ways a hell of a lot more than Young does.

Rush hasn't kept anybody alive Destiny has. When he was doing all he can to save energy Destiny drove into a star to refuel. When lime and water was needed Destiny found the planet necessary to provide for the crews needs. Even in the last battle when he put everything into the shields Destiny just jumped when the batteries and shields went low. They just stayed longer then thedy would have if they fired back and used more energy.

 

[broberfett]

Everybody keeps acting like Rush's frame up of Young is no big deal or just a bit too far. It might as well be an assassination attempt. When murderers are caught they are usually executed or jailed for decades. Rush isn't just a pain in the ass. He would off anyone just as fast as people think Young will.

 

[David cgc]

Re: SG-U

Even in the last battle when he put everything into the shields Destiny just jumped when the batteries and shields went low. They just stayed longer then thedy would have if they fired back and used more energy.

It's never said that was the case. As far as we know, it went just as Rush said, and the ship jumped when the clock went out just like always, and would've stayed right where it was if the shields drained before then.

 

[The Wormhole]

You know, I see a lot of people saying how stupid it is for the civilians to take over the Destiny by quoting the rule book or legality. That's completely missing the point of the mutiny.

The civilians mutinied because Young is crazy. Leaving Rush behind on the planet to die (which I admit not everyone knew, but strongly suspected) pretty much convinced them Young needed to go. It wasn't because the rule book says civilians should lead. It's because their current commanding officer is batshit insane. If Young had been, say General Hammond, I'm pretty sure the civilians would be quite happy being led by the military.

Jeez, I can't believe I'm defending SG:U. My how the tables have turned.

The problem is is that the show isn't really protraying anything like that. All the civilians are just acting like whiny crybabies being led by opportunistic fools (Wray and Rush). Meanwhile the military are just a bunch of tough guys/girls following Young with blind loyalty. While there would be understandable tension between the two groups, I doubt they would all be at each other's throats.

Besides, in the first ten episodes everyone hated Dr. Rush, military and civilian alike. Why are the civilians siding with him now that Young tried to get rid of him?

Really quite simple and answered in several posts. If you see someone willing to kill a fellow passenger like Young was so happy to do with Rush, a person who can help them survive more than just about anyone, if not everyone, on that ship, you realize that person would do the EXACT SAME THING to you without a second thought to it. Like him or not people realize that Rush has kept them alive in many situations where Young most certainly cannot. And despite how smart Eli is, he's not as smart as Rush. People want to survive. period and Rush helps them do that in many ways a hell of a lot more than Young does.

Seeing as how Rush is basically the guy that got everyone into this mess, I'm surprised so many people are against Young for abandoning him.

 

[StarshipDefiant]

The problem is is that the show isn't really protraying anything like that. All the civilians are just acting like whiny crybabies being led by opportunistic fools (Wray and Rush). Meanwhile the military are just a bunch of tough guys/girls following Young with blind loyalty. While there would be understandable tension between the two groups, I doubt they would all be at each other's throats.

Besides, in the first ten episodes everyone hated Dr. Rush, military and civilian alike. Why are the civilians siding with him now that Young tried to get rid of him?

Really quite simple and answered in several posts. If you see someone willing to kill a fellow passenger like Young was so happy to do with Rush, a person who can help them survive more than just about anyone, if not everyone, on that ship, you realize that person would do the EXACT SAME THING to you without a second thought to it. Like him or not people realize that Rush has kept them alive in many situations where Young most certainly cannot. And despite how smart Eli is, he's not as smart as Rush. People want to survive. period and Rush helps them do that in many ways a hell of a lot more than Young does.

Seeing as how Rush is basically the guy that got everyone into this mess, I'm surprised so many people are against Young for abandoning him.

Yeah, I wonder that to, especially given the revelation that he had an implant that allowed the aliens to track them, and he tried to hide it. Most of the time, Rush's decisions and actions aren't for the good of the people, either, it's what he can find on Destiny.

 

[cylkoth]

The Destiny was able to seal off the hull breach done by the aliens with a force field. After it recharged by diving into the star, shouldn't there have been enough power to seal off that domed room we saw in Air? Perhaps the emitters in that section are damaged? Too large a hole?....but I really would like to get a better look inside there.

 

[broberfett]

The Destiny was able to seal off the hull breach done by the aliens with a force field. After it recharged by diving into the star, shouldn't there have been enough power to seal off that domed room we saw in Air? Perhaps the emitters in that section are damaged? Too large a hole?....but I really would like to get a better look inside there.

Did you see how much exploring they did in Atlantis? They barely showed any of that entire city except for empty hallways. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting to see that room in any detail.

 

[kdalton_69]

^Who says the military's authority over the ship is "lawful" ? As Wray says, in every single country in the free world the military answers to a civilian government.

On top of that, we might like to forget about it now Atlantis is done, but the entire Stargate programme is operated under the auspices of the IOA - a civilian organisation.

The military on this ship have fired upon and assaulted civilians. They have no legal authority.

I'm going to give this a 7 out of 10.

Uh, because the military command that runs the gate program on Earth for the IOA, which reports to the duly-elected civilian government, has said so? And the IOA hasn't told them otherwise, so ...

 

[kdalton_69]

>I doubt they would all be at each other's throats.

Introduce hunger, fear, and threat of death by blue obsessed aliens. You'd be surprised at what people can agree too.

 

[kdalton_69]

I agree that the reason the civilians mutinied is mostly due to Young's actions with Rush. He compromised himself as a leader with a brash decision made more for personal revenge than anything else.

What the colonel should have done is expose Rush for the weasel he is by playing everyone the footage of the frame-up.

 

[Dr. Chandra]

I agree that the reason the civilians mutinied is mostly due to Young's actions with Rush. He compromised himself as a leader with a brash decision made more for personal revenge than anything else.

What the colonel should have done is expose Rush for the weasel he is by playing everyone the footage of the frame-up.

And he admitted at the end to Ming-Na that he shouldn't have left Rush on the planet.

This is the best episode I've seen yet. I'm not sure what exactly clicked for me, but I loved it.

 

[StarshipDefiant]

I have reason to believe that there's something else to the footage besides showing Rush framing Young for murder. The discussion between Young and Eli about removing all but one copy of the footage (which Young would then have) leads me to consider this.

 

[Harvey]

^^
If that's true, why didn't Eli bring that up? Didn't he see the entire tape?

My memory may be wrong, it has been a few months since Justice aired.

 

[gturner]

I think the reason Young hid the footage of Rush taking the gun is that if the civilians and military personnel knew Rush would frame people for murder, morale would really go down the tubes.

Young couldn't have been planning to leave Rush on the planet because they hadn't encountered it yet, and couldn't know they'd ever encounter a planet with a wrecked space ship that would both interest Rush and cause Rush to want to stay after the rest of the team heading back toward the gate.

Rush could certainly be successfully prosecuted for his actions regarding the gun, specifically tampering with evidence, perjury, etc.

In contrast, Young couldn't be successfully prosecuted for stranding Rush. He can't be forced to testify against himself, and there were no other witnesses since Rush was unconscious. Rush could try and make something up, which is just he said/she said, and Rush's testimony would already be compromised because of his actions regarding the gun, which shows he is perfectly willing to lie and frame Colonel Young. So his testimony would be disregarded.

As I recall the episode, the rest of the team had to leave to get back to the gate in time, and Young and Rush were going to be pushing the limits and cutting things close before their fight. Since Rush was unconscious until long after Destiny had departed, Colonel Young would've had to bodily carry him all the way back to the gate, and we know Colonel Young was in very bad shape from the fight. It's quite probably that he couldn't have physically made it back in time had he tried, in his weakened condition, to carry or drag Dr. Rush to the gate. Nothing in civil or military law says you have to sacrifice your own life to try and save someone else, and we actually don't know that he didn't try and fail to pick Dr. Rush up.

So really, nobody could make a successful case against Colonel Young, except perhaps a military court that might find he acted without good order and discipline. You could certainly charge Colonel Young with assault and battery, but again, you can't prove who threw the first punch unless Colonel Young is willing to testify against himself, and Rush's testimony can't be trusted because he'd already tried to frame Colonel Rush for murder. On top of that there's a clear case against Dr. Rush for hijacking and mutiny.

So we're just left with rumors and discontent about Young amongst the civilians, but nothing that would provide a legal basis for removing him from command except a judgement by his military superiors that he has an inability to lead.