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I don't suppose they need to explain why Amy looked like the soothsayer or whatever she was in Fires of Pompeii like they are making something of the Doctor looking like Caecilius.
The RTD explanation would fit that bill just as nice.

I think it would be hilarious if all they do with that, is the Doctor running into her, having to look twice and go "naaaah!" carrying on with wjhatver he was doing. XD
 
What was the RTD explanation?

Explain. Explain.

RTD had an explanation for why John Frobisher looked like Cacaelius (or however it's spelled). Cacaelius was supposed to die at Pompeii but he didn't, so the universe recreated him and snuffed out his bloodline two millennia later.

Moffat apparently saw a way of tying this into the Doctor.
 
What was the RTD explanation?

Explain. Explain.

RTD had an explanation for why John Frobisher looked like Cacaelius (or however it's spelled). Cacaelius was supposed to die at Pompeii but he didn't, so the universe recreated him and snuffed out his bloodline two millennia later.

Moffat apparently saw a way of tying this into the Doctor.
Well, actually I was thinking of that throwaway line in Journey's End where Ten and Rose comment on how the female lead from Torchwood looks like the the maid in The Unquiet Dead. I can't quite remember what it was.
 
This trailer and the last one had a huge revelation. The twelfth doctor is finally accepting hugs from Clara.
Yeah, he no longer flails like a fish. I think "Last Christmas" marked the change. He's not going to quibble over stupid stuff when he gets a second chance to travel with his best friend.
 
The putative RTD explanation doesn't exactly inspire confidence; it sounds like pointless fan service at best. Hopefully there'll be some decent explanation of why the Doctor's face is familiar to him and why he chose it, but really I say that because of the scene in Deep Breath. Frobisher was on an adults-only TV show and Caecilius appeared briefly in DW about seven years ago. Other than the fact that the Doctor seemed to recognise his new face, it seems that the proposed solution lacks a problem as far as Doctor Who's core viewership is concerned.
 
What was the RTD explanation?

Explain. Explain.

RTD had an explanation for why John Frobisher looked like Cacaelius (or however it's spelled). Cacaelius was supposed to die at Pompeii but he didn't, so the universe recreated him and snuffed out his bloodline two millennia later.

Moffat apparently saw a way of tying this into the Doctor.

Which really doesn't make much sense. If Cacaelius and his family were supposed to die at Pompeii couldn't the universe arranged an accident for them on their trip back to Rome as opposed to waiting two thousand years and eliminating his descendants?

The putative RTD explanation doesn't exactly inspire confidence; it sounds like pointless fan service at best. Hopefully there'll be some decent explanation of why the Doctor's face is familiar to him and why he chose it, but really I say that because of the scene in Deep Breath. Frobisher was on an adults-only TV show and Caecilius appeared briefly in DW about seven years ago. Other than the fact that the Doctor seemed to recognise his new face, it seems that the proposed solution lacks a problem as far as Doctor Who's core viewership is concerned.

Well, Moffat did say when Capaldi was cast that he was using RTD's explanation and even got in contact with RTD to see if the explanation could still work with the Doctor involved. Apparently, it can.

I don't see this being a problem for the "core viewership." Everyone knows Capaldi was on Doctor Who before and also on Torchwood. It was brought up constantly when he was cast, and one of the top questions people asked after season 8 finished was why didn't we get the explanation for why the Doctor now looks like this two guys. It's an issue very much in the spotlight for the general public, the "Not-We" if you will.

I don't suppose they need to explain why Amy looked like the soothsayer or whatever she was in Fires of Pompeii like they are making something of the Doctor looking like Caecilius.

As mentioned above, the time/space multiplicity thing mentioned in Journey's End to explain why Gwen Cooper resembles Gwyneth should be good enough for that. Should be good enough for the Doctor/Cacaelius/Frobisher thing too, but apparently it's not.
 
Gwen/Gweneth is just a descendent that look alike. Cacaelius/Frobisher could also be a descendent. Why the Doctor looks like Cacaelius is what I want to find out. Frobisher is irrelevant in Doctor Who. The Doctor never ran into him so he wouldn't even know to look into that.
 
Did the Doctor randomly get that face? Or was it the Time Lords who picked it for him? They have given him an older face before (Third Doctor).
 
What was the RTD explanation?

Explain. Explain.

RTD had an explanation for why John Frobisher looked like Cacaelius (or however it's spelled). Cacaelius was supposed to die at Pompeii but he didn't, so the universe recreated him and snuffed out his bloodline two millennia later.

Moffat apparently saw a way of tying this into the Doctor.

Which really doesn't make much sense. If Cacaelius and his family were supposed to die at Pompeii couldn't the universe arranged an accident for them on their trip back to Rome as opposed to waiting two thousand years and eliminating his descendants?

In all honesty, that has always been my problem with this explanation. If Cacaelius corrupted time by not existing, time has ways of dealing with it (like the Reapers), and he's going to have lots of descendants that were never supposed to exist, corrupting time even more.
 
I thought it was established that Cacaelius's family's survival was a predestination paradox as his is the family used in the books about Pompeii.

That or they were all Time Lords and the Tenth Doctor just didn't notice because, well, there are no more Time Lords....right?
 
I don't really think they need to explain it, but both those actors were later hired as other people. And Martha had an identical cousin, too. I really don't mind a production reusing/rehiring actors, but turning it into some kind of plot point seems strange.
 
With the Doctor, it given then story potential, if nothing else.

Meh, we've lasted thirty years without an explanation for why the Sixth Doctor looks like Maxil, or why the Fifth looks like one of the faces optioned in The War Games. Or nearly fifty years for why the Second looks like Salamander. It's debatable whether we really need to learn why the Twelfth looks like these two guys.

What's next, an actual explanation regarding who the Curator is?
 
With the Doctor, it given then story potential, if nothing else.

Meh, we've lasted thirty years without an explanation for why the Sixth Doctor looks like Maxil, or why the Fifth looks like one of the faces optioned in The War Games. Or nearly fifty years for why the Second looks like Salamander. It's debatable whether we really need to learn why the Twelfth looks like these two guys.

What's next, an actual explanation regarding who the Curator is?


Or why the faces in The War Games seem to match the next few British Prime Ministers? (and almost to the next few Doctors if you swap/change it a bit ("Too old, too mad, too young, that won't do at all").

Anyway, this is an old 1990s joke: the PMs sort of match up for a bit...
Home (1963/64): old.
Wilson (1964-70, 74-76): Middle-aged but trying to be Beatle-trendy.
Heath (1970-74): Camp ageing sailor.
Callaghan (1976-79): No parallel.
Thatcher (1979-90): Mad with piercing blue eyes.
Major (1990-97): Young, blond-grey, bit weak compared with his predecessor.
The parallels break up after that, though thinking about it, I suspect that you could make a case.
 
Teasers of the episodes are up

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=79282230&postcount=8077


Ep 1/2:

"This is the opening two-parter. It features lots of Daleks and this time we mean it! Clara receives a mysterious summons and has to team up with Missy to search for the Doctor in a very, very old place."

Ep 3/4:

"This two parter is written by Toby Whithouse and features an underwater base plagued by creeping ghosts and an island that is about to be submerged in water. But who or what is doing this and how can the Doctor stop it? It's very scary, atmospheric and claustrophobic, much like some Classic episodes."

Ep 5/6:

"Those two are exceptional! Doctor Who meets Game of Thrones! Well, only because Maisie Williams is in them. The first part features Vikings fighting mercenary robots (and a dragon!) and the second one sees a group of Highwaymen dealing with a norse God".

Ep 7/8:

"This one is written by Peter Harness and Day of the Doctor acted as a prologue to it. In it, the Zygons made peace with the Humans, but not every Zygon decided it was okay so they'be been raising an army, silently and now they're rising against UNIT! We've been planning this forever and Osgood is in it! But how is that possible you'd ask? Missy killed her! Who knows? Well, we know."

Ep 9:

"This is a very unique Doctor Who story from Mark Gatiss. It wasn't possible to do such an episode ten years ago, when the show came back and Mark has been rewriting it over and over again to make it perfect. It's a beautiful story, very eerie and special, I think it's going to be an instant Classic."

Ep 10:

"An episode which leapt out as "why haven't we done this already? This is so Doctor Who we should be doing this immediately". And when Sarah Dollard walked in with the finalised script, it was even better! Really, this is going to be a fan-favorite, everyone will want to rewatch it."

Ep 11/12:

"A challenge. I won't say anything else because it would be too spoilery, but when you'll watch it, you're going to ask how exactly the Doctor and Clara are going to pull it off."
 
I am incredulous after reading the list. It has been my experience, when something is described as being a fan favorite or an instant classic before release, that when that something is released, it has been anything but a fan favorite or instant classic. There are exceptions - however, they are rare.

Mark Gatiss has a mixed record. He had some successes - "The Unquiet Dead" and the "Crimson Horror"; yet, many of the other episodes were of far lower quality. So, while I don't discount the possibility of him writing a classic, I think it more probable that he will write a good or average script.

I have been catching up with the franchise this summer. I am finding the episodes from Series 8 more enjoyable without the annoying commercials breaking them up. I am more receptive to the relationship between Clara and the Doctor, and I am more interested in seeing how the relationship will evolve in the next series.
 
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