Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

I think TMP and TNG are something different. The post TMP ones have a different approach. TNG circles back around to TMP in some ways. DISCO is TMP turned up to 11.

TMP is all by itself. It has a way different feel and is very strange, and doesn't connect to Kruge or Klaa very well, in my opinion.

but in Burnham's case that amounted to just lots of crying and making sad faces.

The horror, of someone being told to suppress their emotions actually expressing them...what will they think of next?

 

[Nerys Myk]

If you say so. Me, I don’t see much difference between the TMP Klingons and the STIII/TNG versions of those, other than Christopher Lloyd basically being the template for all Klingons going forward until DSC turned them into lobster people.

TNG brought back the teeth and the nose ridges. The movies avoided those. Maybe because they were on the big screen and wanted the actors' faces more visible. The head pieces seemed more restrained. Westmore went crazy on the ridges for TNG.
The lobsters heads are just the turtle heads taken a few steps further.

Kruge's characterization would have been at home on a TOS episode. TNG not so much.

 

[Jayson1]

TMP is all by itself. It has a way different feel and is very strange, and doesn't connect to Kruge or Klaa very well, in my opinion.


The horror, of someone being told to suppress their emotions actually expressing them...what will they think of next?

Their is more ways to show a characters emotions than just crying. Also crying is a healthy thing to do thus it negates it being a bad trait. Just a bad trait for drama but of course not in real life. If they wanted to they could have given her a drug addiction or she gets into fights because she has issues controlling her anger now that she has spent time in prison. Maybe she has come out all weird in a Dwight Schute kind of way because being a human raised on Vulcan and having her emotions be seen as a bad thing has made her good at her job but also kind of messed up when it comes to social skills.

 

[NCC-73515]

Alright, which Klingons will we see in this one? I vote for TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT/PIC/SNW ones

 

[Alexander Corrino]

Alright, which Klingons will we see in this one? I vote for TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT/PIC/SNW ones

The fandom's reaction to something like this alone would make it worth watching for me

 

[NCC-73515]

If most of it is set between TUC and TNG, it would fit

 

[Jayson1]

Alright, which Klingons will we see in this one? I vote for TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT/PIC/SNW ones

It will be the TNG ones. They learned their lesson.

 

[Dukhat]

Since SNW understood the need to bring back the long-haired space biker gang Klingons rather than the orcs or the greasers, I think we’ll be seeing those from now on.

 

[Tosk]

Yeah we haven't seen the original Disco Klingons since 2019 at this point (outside of the contentious LDS cameo) ...I doubt we'll be seeing them again. Not any time soon, at least. (Though I'd be down for the PIC Romulan approach: If there is a group of Klingons in S31, have them be a mixture of styles just to definitively say to the Trekkies that it all counts.)

 

[James Cole]

Thanks for the podcast recommendation to get that episode to the front of the line

This does raise an interesting question though... just how multiversal might S31 be? OTOY Unification levels?

They could always throw us a curve ball and have S31 of all things explain the DISCOVERY/SNW vs TOS ahem "differences"

 

[Turtletrekker]

Alright, which Klingons will we see in this one? I vote for TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT/PIC/SNW ones

Yes.

 

[Dukhat]

They could always throw us a curve ball and have S31 of all things explain the DISCOVERY/SNW vs TOS ahem "differences"

The Section 31 movie is about Georgiou’s redemption and a group of people going on a secret mission. Don’t assume it will have any more depth than that.

 

[NCC-73515]

And the Andorians? I wanna see ENT ones again

 

[Nerys Myk]

And the Andorians? I wanna see ENT ones again

Every alien species should get that treatment.

 

[Noname Given]

Did the koala ask for a starship though?

It was already on one, so it didn't need to.

 

[Noname Given]

Because the Spock-Sarek relationship for decades has been about the issues of how Spock made a choice to join Starfleet in order to go his own way. That his rejection of the Vulcan Science Academy is a moment where Sarek has to project Vulcan stoicism and disdain for an “illogical” decision, but on some level you get the sense that he respects Spock for bucking what was expected. But all of that is left unsaid, implied through the acting, and remains a major relationship issue within the franchise for decades.

When you shoehorn Burnham into that, and basically have Sarek screw over her application to the Vulcan Science Academy in order to favor Spock, I think it robs all of what was left to nuance and ambiguity, and underlines a definitive perception on those issues in an awkward way.

Also, I think part of what makes Spock’s upbringing tragic is the idea he only had his mother as a touchstone for his humanity on a planet full of Vulcans. Inserting Burnham into their family dynamic diminishes that idea.

IDK - Given how Vulcans saw Humans in TOS (look at how T' Pau treated Spock when he spoke to her during his Blood Fever phase in Amok Time; I always assumed the only reason Spock was even considered was because of some influence Sarek had <--- And that was a belief I had many decades before what the writers ultimately did in ST: D and if anything, it explains WHY Sarek was still so upset with Spock in Amok Time BECAUSE Sarek screwed his adoptive daughter over to keep it in place for Spock, and Spock ultimately passed on that opportunity.

 

[Tuskin38]

Discovery Andorians are the best they've ever been

Yeah we haven't seen the original Disco Klingons since 2019 at this point (outside of the contentious LDS cameo)

they were in a SNW flashback that reused DSC footage.

 

[NCC-73515]

What could that be? Just a flashlight?

 

[Nerys Myk]

What could that be? Just a flashlight?

Lightsaber.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah we haven't seen the original Disco Klingons since 2019 at this point (outside of the contentious LDS cameo) ...I doubt we'll be seeing them again. Not any time soon, at least. (Though I'd be down for the PIC Romulan approach: If there is a group of Klingons in S31, have them be a mixture of styles just to definitively say to the Trekkies that it all counts.)

Since Akiva Goldsman has said some rather impolite things about the Disco Klingons, we can safely assume they won't ever be showing up on SNW at least.