This is the way.
That said, there's a high bar for pop entertainment to clear in order to justify treating such material. There's no good reason to think that Trek is capable of avoiding the superficial, reassuring, and, yes, trivial.
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This is the way.
That said, there's a high bar for pop entertainment to clear in order to justify treating such material. There's no good reason to think that Trek is capable of avoiding the superficial, reassuring, and, yes, trivial.
I've said it before in this thread: the best thing to do would be bring in Yeoh, have an adventure that may have to do with S31 creating some kind of calamity. Georgiou also has to face the music for her crimes. S31 folds up shop, and Georgiou faces some kind of real accountability. Could be an opportunity to investigate justice and ethics in Trek in a way that has seldom been done before.
I've explained the real-world reasons for my visceral reaction against such a series. I'm not going to keep reexplaining that just for you to keep presenting a fictional Trek example to "counter" it.There shouldn't be, eh? Ok, wasn't aware we only make series based on morally upright institutions...
So, you would have an issue with a Klingon Empire series? Cause that's what they did.
ETA: And to clarify I am not trying to be a dick or get a "Gotcha" moment. I'm genuinely curious to were the line is, because we have seen people and institutions in Trek use torture without much concern down the road. The Klingons being the most notable institutionalized example.
You have different experiences and hence a different reaction. But that in no way invalidates or diminishes my reaction to it.
Yes and Yes.
As @urbandk writes, there is great potential.
However, given recent Trek, I have doubts whether they are willing and capable of pulling it off. Indeed, recent iterations suggest a more superficial, trivial approach.
I would welcome such an exploration.
Fortunately, I'm not under any obligation to answer all questions posed.
But, as I said earlier, no, IMO, there shouldn't be a Trek series dedicated to S31 as the hero organization for the reasons I stated.
The exception would be a thoughtful series that involves accountability and shutting down S31.
YMMV.
I'm really getting tired of these plot lines within Trek which require MASSIVE conspiracies in order to pull off. There's already way too much conspiratorial thinking in modern society and this stuff just feeds into it.
No, it just seemed like a complete misreading of what I asked. But, no matter.
Your opinion is completely valid. If it doesn't work out, I'll bin it with ENT.
Well, art will reflect life and this strikes me as entirely a reaction to current society, and similar to 90s secret society style theories that were popular in high school heyday.
I wasn't exactly clear what you were asking because a question in your comment was, "There shouldn't be, eh?" And my response is, IMO, no, there shouldn't be because . . .
And you asked about the Klingon Empire but I'm just not going to getting into a debate over fictional empires.
I happen to like ENT!
It was more an idle curiosity. I love finding the lines that people have and what matters and what doesn't. It's a fascinating look in to a person.
Not a debate; just a curiosity. 'Tis all.
Alright, just me not wanting to delve into fictional examples because they pale in comparison to the real-world reasons for why a S31 series gives me the heebie jeebies.
Again, completely fair, reasonable and understandable. And there are certainly series that I don't watch for real world reasons. This just happens to not cross that line for me because of Star Trek's history.
Mileage, etc.
I'm not going to judge it until it airs.
For all we know it could end with Georgiou destroying S31 from the inside.
Discovery and Picard have not treated Section 31 as a good thing.
The only people defending S31 in Discovery were people working for S31. Pike and Michael didn't like the organization.
For all we know it could end with Georgiou destroying S31 from the inside.
Discovery and Picard have not treated Section 31 as a good thing.
The only people defending S31 in Discovery were people working for S31. Pike and Michael didn't like the organization.
I thought the Vengeance-style black ships were really cool. And the black badges, dumb as it was for them to exist (which Lower Decks pointed out)
Section 31 is either a secret cabal of officers (DS9, ENT) or a legitimate branch of Starfleet (Into Darkness, Disco S2) and they're not really compatible but eh, it's just a TV show. Entertain me for 2 hours and I'm good.
Section 31 is either a secret cabal of officers (DS9, ENT) or a legitimate branch of Starfleet (Into Darkness, Disco S2) and they're not really compatible but eh, it's just a TV show. Entertain me for 2 hours and I'm good.
I mean, they have to have legitimate fronts to operate otherwise it's rather pointless. So having badges grants them a measure of authority to pretend to be operating with official sanctions as appropriate. They are compatible in so far as they need a cover.
Or, in other words, see Trent Kort from NCIS.
Or, in other words, see Trent Kort from NCIS.
The movie could show how it transitioned from a widely known regular intelligence branch to a secret group barely anyone knows about.
Perhaps Georgiou exposes a serious mistake they made, there's public outrage, and it's officially dissolved, only to keep existing in the shadows in case it is needed again...
Doesn't link the secret ENT organization to the open DIS one, but at least connects DIS to DS9.
Perhaps Georgiou exposes a serious mistake they made, there's public outrage, and it's officially dissolved, only to keep existing in the shadows in case it is needed again...
Doesn't link the secret ENT organization to the open DIS one, but at least connects DIS to DS9.
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