Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

[Jedman67]

With Discovery holograms they didn't feel real in a "this is a person standing right in front of me" sense but in a "this is an NPC" with limited animations or articulations.

In TNG/DS9 it would have been more expensive filming wise to show holograms that were less "real"
Obviously DSC has a much bigger budget and more time to run vfx and more post production time, so it all evens out I guess.

My biggest problem with how Section 31 has been used since Discovery is that they're either shown to be buffoons who do stupid things (which is the total opposite of the nebulous organization in DS9 that could outsmart genetically engineered intellects and was capable of executing a genocidal plot), or they're supposed to be a secret organization that's not a secret with their own black combadges.

Section 31 in DSC only revealed themselves because of the Red Angel and Control threats. They were pretty sophisticated but got taken over by their own AI.

Not buffoonery at all, IMO (ok, maybe a little).

We don't know (and I rather suspect not) if S31 are going to be walking around with name badges in the movie and declaring themselves Section 31 every 5 minutes. The audience knows but no one else does who doesn't need to.

And we don't have much on the plot yet, so it seems pointless to assume that they're going to be flying around with ships named "Section 31 [SHIP NAME]", it will be all sorts of clandestine and intrigue most likely.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I suspect Yeoh just wants to fulfill her contract and get the heck out of Dodge. She has movie offers now. I doubt she wants to be doing Star Trek.

Here's the "REAL Reason"

Michelle Yeoh Won An Oscar - Why Does She Still Love Star Trek?

- Michelle Yeoh's commitment to Star Trek: Section 31 is fueled by her love for the franchise and her childhood dreams of commanding her own ship.
- Winning an Oscar and being in high demand in Hollywood hasn't diminished Yeoh's passion for the character of Emperor Philippa Georgiou and the world of Star Trek.
- Yeoh's involvement in Section 31 is helping to bring much-needed representation for Asian actors and older women in the industry, aligning with her acceptance speech advocating for greater visibility.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Ultimately, this is entertainment first, not proselytizing so I'm not sure what's so baffling here.

Sometimes a video game will be bugged in a way that make the character's heads spin around and the dragons fly backwards and it's hilarious. Very entertaining. But it's not how it's supposed to work and it needs fixing.

 

[fireproof78]

But it's not how it's supposed to work and it needs fixing.

What rules drive how it's "supposed" to work?

The only thing about Section 31 is plausible deniability. Per Sisko, it's neither confirmed nor denied by the Council. Everything is around deniability of official actions but they have resources to make things happen.

 

[Tuskin38]

it needs fixing.

Nope

 

[Lady Mondegreen]

I'm kind of ambivalent about Section 31 as shown in DS9 -- I don't really mind the grimdark anti-utopian aspect since the aspirational future side of Trek has never been the most important thing to me about the franchise. But I never found the concept particularly interesting.

But at least it felt like a coherent narrative idea that there was a clandestine group operating in the Federation's favor, doing maybe-evil things for the greater good.

I get that it was probably the result of mashing together planned plotlines due to the impending cancellation but the "Section 31" multiverse rift mission in LD was a bizarred choice that seemed to have very little to do with S31 as an organization.

And the Suicide Squad/ragtag band of misfits here is similarly perplexing. It seems like there's no reason for it to be Section 31 besides wanting to carry over the name from the scrapped series, which is kind of annoying

 

[Tuskin38]

IIRC It has been said that this movie will explain how they got they way they were in DS9.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I suspect Yeoh just wants to fulfill her contract and get the heck out of Dodge. She has movie offers now. I doubt she wants to be doing Star Trek.

The only reason this movie is still happening is because Michelle Yeoh wanted it to happen.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Actually the only real canon is "STAR TREK:ORVILLE. Everything else was Benny Russell writing stuff down in a mental hospital back from the 60's to 2004 or so. After a long life he passed away and some new patient was put in his room and he was named Gary Troup who also just got done writing Lost in another mental hospital and who looked ALOT like J.J Abrams. He loved the Benny Russell writings on the wall and decided to do his version of Trek starting with a reboot and then Discovery.

 

[fireproof78]

Truly, the pinnacle of evolved Trek humanity.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why is it every time I click on this thread (titled "Section 31 news thread"), no one is ever talking about Section 31?

Granted, I get why no one wants to talk about it. Perhaps we'll keep the tangential conversations going into and beyond the premiere ... and we can just pretend it never happened?

How about now?

 

[Quantum21]

Around the time of Enterprise, say 2003-05, I recall trekkies online giving ideas where this franchise should go.

I remember the vast majority then said darker, more realistic shows.

Fast forward to 2017, after 12 years of Netflix reruns and bright lighting and carpets, and fans seemed to forget all that.

I think Trekkies who felt that way originally will instinctually enjoy this variety in storytelling.

 

[NCC-73515]

According to IMDB, there is a

Spoiler

Vaadvaur and an Antedian

in it
If it's true, I'm curious how the latter one looks!

 

[Dukhat]

According to IMDB, there is a

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Vaadvaur and an Antedian

in it
If it's true, I'm curious how the latter one looks!

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The Vaadwaur were from the Delta Quadrant, and were in suspended animation for hundreds of years. How would they show up in this movie?

 

[Nerys Myk]

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The Vaadwaur were from the Delta Quadrant, and were in suspended animation for hundreds of years. How would they show up in this movie?

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Sorry, I don't speak Voyager

 

[El Maestro]

Around the time of Enterprise, say 2003-05, I recall trekkies online giving ideas where this franchise should go.

I remember the vast majority then said darker, more realistic shows.

I hypothesize that this desire was part of the larger post 9/11 cultural zeitgeist than any real desire for this.

Anyway, fans clamoring for that got a lot of what they wanted, and it seems like they will continue to get it with this movie, good and hard.

 

[fireproof78]

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Sorry, I don't speak Voyager

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The Vaadwaur were from the Delta Quadrant, and were in suspended animation for hundreds of years. How would they show up in this movie?

Spoiler

Apparently, one appeared in Enterprise so it must not have been all of them

 

[HotRod]

If it's true, I'm curious how the latter one looks!

 

[Noname Given]

The one in DSC looked pretty realistic to me.

So did the one in TAS as they were freezing in a snowstorm at one point.

 

[Noname Given]

Why is it every time I click on this thread (titled "Section 31 news thread"), no one is ever talking about Section 31?

Granted, I get why no one wants to talk about it. Perhaps we'll keep the tangential conversations going into and beyond the premiere ... and we can just pretend it never happened?

Because aside from a couple of Promos, the streaming film hasn't released yet. This is no different than movie threads before the film it's talking about is released.