Agreed on all points but I'm especially sore about undermining that incredible scene between Fury and Rhodes.
That exchange was the show at its highest and pulling the carpet out from under it was the show at its lowest.
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Agreed on all points but I'm especially sore about undermining that incredible scene between Fury and Rhodes.
That exchange was the show at its highest and pulling the carpet out from under it was the show at its lowest.
That's the thing. Not all Asgardians look human.
I'd modify the pitch to have Olivia Colman leading EXCALIBUR and working against Julia trying to invade Otherworld for its oil or something similarly ridiculous! Guest starring Kitty Pryde!
My problem with Coleman's character was that she seemed like comic relief to me - entertaining but not much depth. Which is why I can't get behind regarding her character as the series' best thing. Sure, the MCU can add more depth to her character in future productions. But right now, I'm just not interested in such a possibility, let alone future comic book productions.
Well...that happened.
So much potential just pissed down the drain. The Gravick/Fury scene was great, except I'd pretty much guessed it was G'iah. Nice fight but as others have said, presumably G'Iah is now the most powerful superhero in the universe? And also have others have said, interesting how quickly they learned how to use their powers.
Moon Knight was experimental, She Hulk was supposed to be lightweight fun (comparatively speaking) but this should have been amazing and the best it could be was meh.
So much potential just pissed down the drain. The Gravick/Fury scene was great, except I'd pretty much guessed it was G'iah. Nice fight but as others have said, presumably G'Iah is now the most powerful superhero in the universe? And also have others have said, interesting how quickly they learned how to use their powers.
Moon Knight was experimental, She Hulk was supposed to be lightweight fun (comparatively speaking) but this should have been amazing and the best it could be was meh.
If G'iah is now the most powerful superhero you think she would pop up in the Marvels or get her own movie but I suspect we will not hear from her for a while if ever. What is the point of these shows if they don't have any effect on the movies?
Well the trailer for it matches up perfectly with full spoilers we got months ago and
She's not in the film
I just realized that I would still do a re-watch of "Secret Invasion". Granted, I was disappointed that it didn't live up to its potential. But I would still watch it again. "Secret Invasion", along with "WandaVision" and especially "Hawkeye" are the only MCU/DisneyPlus shows I would watch again, in compared to the other shows.
This is why Chloe Benet and many "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." fans had complained about how the movies had ignored the shows for several years.
On the other hand how many movies and tv shows have there been with no dead celestial sticking out of the side?
It increasingly feels that there is no crossover between any shows or movies, and they aren't in the same universe at all. Everyone wants to tell their own story and any crossovers are either forced and fought against (James Gunn with Kill Gamora? Well I'll take Bucky's arm - deal with that! Or Thor dumping the Guardians asap to go off to his godly orgy)
The last time I felt there was a larger universe rather than 15 different universes spreading out since the blip was Falcoln+Winter Soldier when the Dora Milaje showed up, but even that was a continuation of the pre-endgame universe, didn't interact at all with anything post-endgame
I think everything else has been throwaway lines (Dr Strange about Pleasentville or whatever Wanda's town was called) or background graphics (King Valkyrie having a party in New Asgard), and even those have been fleeting.
Maybe it was covid driven production chaos, but it feels even weirder than the Avengers (other than Thor) ignoring an alien attack in London, or the Shield helicarrier events.
Maybe that nonsense with K.E.V.I.N from She Hulk is to blame, and Deadpool will arrive and set everything straight.
Scarlet Witch could still take G'iah down. As soon as she's back from the dead, anyway.
Quite a few of the shows have had an impact on the movies.
Wanda's whole story arc in Multiverse of Madness was following on from the events of Wandavision. The sons that Wanda was so desperate the bring back, were born and lost in WandaVision.
It also looks like there a pretty decent chance that Brave New World will be a direct follow up from The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, since it will feature both Isaiah Bradley, and the new Falcon, who were both introduced. I could have sworn I read somewhere that Sharon Carter would be back to follow up on the big reveal about her in TF&TWS, but she's not included in Wikipedia's cast list, so maybe not.
Ms. Marvel's title character and her family, who were introduced in her series, will all be appearing in The Marvel's.
We don't know for fact, but I think most people would agree that there's a decent chace whatever was going on offscreen with Bruce Banner in She-Hulk was probably a set up for a future movie, or something.
Loki also introduced the concept of the Multiverse, and introduced us to our first Kang variant.
I'm not sure, but I think the evil Strange and supersoldier Capt. Carter in Multiverse of Madness were supposed to be the same ones we first met in What If?.
It had already been introduced.JD said:
"This universe is only one of an infinite number. Worlds without end. Some benevolent and life-giving, others filled with malice and hunger. Dark places, where powers older than time lie… ravenous… and waiting. Who are you in this vast multiverse, Mr. Strange?" - The Ancient One
(Not to mention that a multiverse of sorts is implicit in Endgame's time travel & timeline GPS scheme.)
So it was all leading up to a short fight between two Skrulls with the combined power of Captain Marvel, Thanos, the Hulk, et. all...
The fight itself was rather underwhelming, and involves two characters I really didn't give a crap about either way. We're supposed to believe Gaia is a reformed Skrull terrorist? She still killed a lot of people and I have to wonder if the only reason she killed Grahl was because he was responsible for her mother's death, and not really because she had a change of heart about her terrorist actions?
And the big dallout from all this is that the US President now wants all extraterrestrials on the planet killed.
And after really screwing everything with respect to the Skrulls situation on Earth up worse, what does Nick Fury do? Goes back up to his Skrull space station in orbit and leaves a huge mess for everybody else to clean up.
I wonder if Kevin Feige actually read the scripts for this series?
The fight itself was rather underwhelming, and involves two characters I really didn't give a crap about either way. We're supposed to believe Gaia is a reformed Skrull terrorist? She still killed a lot of people and I have to wonder if the only reason she killed Grahl was because he was responsible for her mother's death, and not really because she had a change of heart about her terrorist actions?
And the big dallout from all this is that the US President now wants all extraterrestrials on the planet killed.
And after really screwing everything with respect to the Skrulls situation on Earth up worse, what does Nick Fury do? Goes back up to his Skrull space station in orbit and leaves a huge mess for everybody else to clean up.
I wonder if Kevin Feige actually read the scripts for this series?
Loki's premise in fact depends on a lot of things making absolutely no sense in Avengers.
Most of the stuff seems connected to me:
- WandaVision: Set up Multiverse of Madness, introduced adult Monica Rambeau for The Marvels. Oh, and the Agatha Harkness spinoff will see the light of day eventually.
- The Falcon and the Winter Soldier: Served as an "Origin story" for Captain America: Brave New World. Bucky/John Walker will also be in Thunderbolts
- Loki: Introduced Kang.
- What If...?: Captain Carter and the "evil" Dr. Strange from Multiverse of Madness were both first seen in this series.
- Hawkeye: We don't know when Kate Bishop will be seen again, but the show introduced Kingpin to the "MCU proper," gave Yelena more context after her introduction in Black Widow, and...Echo (ehh...)
- Moon Knight: No real connection to anything else, unclear when we'll see him again.
- Ms. Marvel: Directly set up elements of The Marvels
- She-Hulk: Still unclear when we're seeing Jen again, though given Brave New World seems to be a very Hulk-related story, I wouldn't be surprised if something from the show comes up. Besides that, the show canonically brought Daredevil into the Disney+ MCU.
- Secret Invasion: Presumably helps to set up The Marvels.
If anything, I'd argue that the recent movies have been more disconnected than the films. Eternals seems like nothing but a series of teases for things we'll now never see. And (more disappointingly, IMHO) there's no hint when if ever we'll see Shang-Chi again. I think it was a major mistake to just end Phase 4 arbitrarily at the end of 2022, instead of having some sort of team-up movie.
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