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Season 4 First Clip

Adria and Gray served no real purpose but to be just what they were, a stand in for non binary couples. they were just poorly created and also it does not help that discovery did not really have the greatest writing.

Also the actors were bland, one note and boring as you can get. they added nothing to the show. Emperor Georgiou who we used to call Space Hitler in the hey days was kind of entertaining to watch, love or hate her, she was never boring and of course she was played by the fabulous Michelle Yeoh, who is just hard to hate in any role.

Lastly TNG has already dealt with non binary romance and had Riker of all people play one of the main characters in love with the non binary character and while it was not my favourite TNG episode, TNG executed it well as usual.

Adiria and Gray felt more like ticking a box than telling a story with depth as TNG did.
I just wish when people say ......oh people hate spock/chapel or adria/gray they give real reasons why. fans do not just wake up and start hating on a pairing, something has to trigger it.
It's weird that no one seems to be mentioning the gay married couple who were awesome and wonderfully portrayed. Adira and Gray were not my favorite, adorable as they were. I kind of felt like the actors themselves were too inexperienced and didn't have the chops to meet the moment. That's my take. Hugh and Paul were perfect though. Also, I fucking love Discovery.
 
It's weird that no one seems to be mentioning the gay married couple who were awesome and wonderfully portrayed. Adira and Gray were not my favorite, adorable as they were. I kind of felt like the actors themselves were too inexperienced and didn't have the chops to meet the moment. That's my take. Hugh and Paul were perfect though. Also, I fucking love Discovery.
true that the actors were too in experienced that is why I called them bland, one note and boring. to be honest some of the actors from streaming trek in general seem way to in-experienced for the role or lack the screen presence or physicality to play the role.

Unlike TOS or TNG were I would say they got all the casting right, SNW and Discovery does have a lot of weak or miscasting and that sometimes does affect how the story can go or why writers would choose to focus mostly on other characters.

Star Trek has always been diverse and in a
ground breaking ways. TOS uhura been one of the first black women on tv who was not seen as a maid or Sulu not been a stereotypical asian like that awful character Mr. Yunioshi from breakfast at tiffanys but with steaming star trek, I feel some casting has just been more about ticking boxes than finding well suited actors to play the role even if the characters are meant to be non white or not presented hetrosexual. Adria/Grey were the best examples of this.
 
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Unlike TOS or TNG were I would say they got all the casting right, SNW and Discovery does have a lot of weak or miscasting and that sometimes does affect how the story can go or why writers would choose to focus mostly on other characters.
The cast of Strange New Worlds is one of the show’s biggest strengths. Its casting has been flawless thus far.
 
The cast of Strange New Worlds is one of the show’s biggest strengths. Its casting has been flawless thus far.
we can agree to disagree but what is done is done.

However if we get a year one, which I doubt we will since SNW is barely surviving in ratings and paramount cannot even make 10 episodes for season 5, they would need a stronger cast with memorable actors and that would mean casting first people with acting talent, screen presence, the right physicality and experience than just trying to cast solely based on the hollywood incorporated diversity quota

Every version of the actors we have seen in SNW is weaker than their TOS and Kelvin counterparts and that includes the most iconic of them all. Jim Kirk who is played by Paul Wesley. In other words, the past actors have owned the role better.
 
However if we get a year one, which I doubt we will since SNW is barely surviving in ratings and paramount cannot even make 10 episodes for season 5
It's my understanding that the plan was originally to do a movie in place of the fifth season, that was until the showrunners said they couldn't complete the story in a single movie, so Paramount gave them six episodes.
they would need a stronger cast with memorable actors and that would mean casting first people with acting talent, screen presence, the right physicality and experience
Again, one thing that is near universally agreed upon is that the cast of Strange New Worlds is absolutely stellar. They each have all the traits you mentioned , and more.
than just trying to cast solely based on the hollywood incorporated diversity quota
You don't like strong woman, and now you don't like diversity. You're a real peach, aren't you?
Every version of the actors we have seen in SNW is weaker than their TOS and Kelvin counterparts
Yeah, no. Fuck no. I say that as someone who absolutely adores TOS and also has a real affinity for the Kelvin movies.
and that includes the most iconic of them all.
Nope.
Jim Kirk who is played by Paul Wesley. In other words, the past actors have owned the role better.
Wesley does a fine job playing a younger Kirk who is still learning what it takes to be a Captain. I'll go as far as saying he's terrific. His on-screen chemistry with Spock is especially noticeable. It's been generally talked about how he gets better with every single appearance. He's growing into the role and I can only hope that we will continue to see him play Jim Kirk in some capacity in the future.
 
It's my understanding that the plan was originally to do a movie in place of the fifth season, that was until the showrunners said they couldn't complete the story in a single movie, so Paramount gave them six episodes.

Again, one thing that is near universally agreed upon is that the cast of Strange New Worlds is absolutely stellar. They each have all the traits you mentioned , and more.

You don't like strong woman, and now you don't like diversity. You're a real peach, aren't you?

Yeah, no. Fuck no. I say that as someone who absolutely adores TOS and also has a real affinity for the Kelvin movies.

Nope.

Wesley does a fine job playing a younger Kirk who is still learning what it takes to be a Captain. I'll go as far as saying he's terrific. His on-screen chemistry with Spock is especially noticeable. It's been generally talked about how he gets better with every single appearance. He's growing into the role and I can only hope that we will continue to see him play Jim Kirk in some capacity in the future.
I can take this as just SNW is the bestest trek evah sentiment but I disagree based on an artistic pov. to kill a mockingbird, Gregory Peck is Ethan's grandfather and that role could only be played extremely well by Peck- Mr Flich. Casting a Cary Grant or a Clark Gable in the role would have been decent but not great. Some actors just fit extremely well in roles better than others.

This is not even a SNW thing, it's an art and talent thing.The SNW Cast would not be able to carry movie like the TOS and Kelvin Cast did to big success. The SNW Cast are not even a thing outside the trek bubble.

SNW would have gotten 10 episodes but the truth is the ratings are not good enough, the movie argument is just a cover to hide poor rating, Believe you me, Hollywood knows what they are doing and they listen to the streets. year one will never happen because they likely do not have faith in Paul Wesley to carry a show. words must have reached their ears about Paul in the role. Mount is barely carrying SNW and he has more charisma than Paul.

Don't get me wrong,The SNW cast is decent, but they have never gotten the acclaim the cast did from star trek 2009 or from TOS. the cast from 2009 were all highly praised for been just as good as their TOS counterparts. Kelvin Cast would have been good enough to get a nomination for a SAG award for ensemble which is the equivalent of best picture.
Quinto and Saldana are especially great actors with dramatic range, Saldana in particularly is an exceptionally actress. Neytiri from Avatar is all her and she brought a lot of that to her Uhura.

Pine is a good actor himself but he also had the charisma of Shatner or a Marlon Brando and could lead the movie as a captain. Urban was the living embodiment of Defrost Kelly. I read reviews deeply and most SNW reviews barely talk about the actors. What the kelvin cast had in their disposal is that they were often praised for making people remember the TOS actors.

I think Gene Rodenberry caught lightly in a bottle with the TOS actors and all those actors became iconic and well known mostly for playing TOS characters even if they went on to other successful projects like Will Shatner in Boston Legal.

the kelvin casting is a kind of casting a HBO series would have pulled off. I would not say SNW cast has gotten that kind of praise or the entire series is HBO quality both in casting or writing. Paul Wesley Kirk reception has been mixed to negative even Arson Mount does not have the commanding presence of Bruce Greenwood, who played a fantastic supporting anchor to Kirk in the first film though I do blame this more on the writing and SNW having less stakes. good luck with SNW trying to find a Kark Urban for their Bones or even a John Cho for their Sulu.

At this point I would only laugh if people still tell me Peck is better than Quinto. Peck barely even has any mystery as Spock, if I even just forget Peck and his teen romance issues. I was just on SNW reddit yesterday and someone made a thread about how Peck is nothing like a Vulcan. You are never going to see that kind of thread about Quinto.
I thing you need to keep your latent bigotry to yourself.
Mod you wound me. I am a poc and I have in the past called out many racial bias in the fandom for instance how people make excuse for the train wreck of spock/chapel in SNW while coming up with excuses to dismiss michael/book or even kelvin spock/uhura who had a healthier and long lasting mature relationship.

Mod you need to read my post of 3 days ago and how I explained how SNW Nurse Chapel benefits from pretty girl white privilege. :eek: I explained the ...defend the snw nurse chapel at all cost phenomenon that seem to be going on around here. I wrote a social commentary on it that only a poc (person of color) is likely to do. read my commentary here.


I have even said Michael and Kelvin Uhura from the Post 2005 NU Trek era where better or more realistic female characters than most SNW females and with Michael I am taking into account , she is meant to be a chosen one kind of character, yet many did not like her but will die on the hill defending a nurse doing more medicine than a doctor and a nurse that treats her boyfriend like dirt.:rolleyes:

I am not a bigot but Hollywood does seem to have a problem recently in how they try to show how diverse they are or with race-bending characters unnecessarily and the character ends up been worse off than the original character Annabeth Chase from Percy Jackson is a good example. you do not even need that with star trek after TNG, DS9 and Voyager or even TOS. I think some streaming trek show have some of the same problem like the current sex and the city series that bombed hard. they are diverse but in a way that feels very superficial and not organic, is like they are trying too hard with it that it comes of many times cringe and too obvious on the nose. You cannot force diversity, you can only create it naturally. focus on great story and getting the best talent and diversity itself will fall rightly to place.

As a POC, trust me, I can tell when I am watching a show or a movie and see a poc character and I know the actor was cast for talent, star quality that also just happens to be a very good POC character than when they are just there to tick a box. maybe this is why SNW has not done a non binary couple again since Adira/Grey forgettable and barely pushed that subject matter forward. Meanwhile Michelle Yeoh place in star trek would still be a good thing.Yeoh was cast for her acting talent , screen presence and having the right physicality also and she just happens to be a poc they wanted.

The failure of section 31 film is not Yeoh's fault. if year one was to fail, a lot of fault will lie with Paul Wesley. there is a difference.
 
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The SNW Cast are not even a thing outside the trek bubble.
Uh, you're aware that a significant number of the actors are well known for their work outside of Star Trek? Anson Mount has had a pretty successful television career, thanks to Hell on Wheels, as well as appearing in Doctor Strange. We won't hold InHumans against him. Paul Wesley was a co-star on a popular series that ran longer than any Trek series. Rebecca Romijn was a world class supermodel before taking up acting and appearing in films such as X-Men. Babs Olusanmokun was just in Dune, and Celia Rose Gooding won a Grammy and was nominated for a Tony for her stage work, all before she even turned 25.
Believe you me, Hollywood knows what they are doing and they listen to the streets.
:lol:
Don't get me wrong,The SNW cast is decent, but they have never gotten the acclaim the cast did from star trek 2009 or from TOS. the cast from 2009 were all highly praised for been just as good as their TOS counterparts. Kelvin Cast would have been good enough to get a nomination for a SAG award for ensemble which is the equivalent of best picture.
Quinto and Saldana are especially great actors with dramatic range, Saldana in particularly is an exceptionally actress. Neytiri from Avatar is all her and she brought a lot of that to her Uhura.

Pine is a good actor himself but he also had the charisma of Shatner or a Marlon Brando and could lead the movie as a captain. Urban was the living embodiment of Defrost Kelly. I read reviews deeply and most SNW reviews barely talk about the actors. What the kelvin cast had in their disposal is that they were often praised for making people remember the TOS actors.
Dude, we get it. You love the Kelvin films. There's nothing wrong with that. But you are putting their casting up on a pedestal that simply doesn't exist.
At this point I would only laugh if people still tell me Peck is better than Quinto.
Peck is better than Quinto.
I was just on SNW reddit yesterday and someone made a thread about how Peck is nothing like a Vulcan. You are never going to see that kind of thread about Quinto.
First, using Reddit as any kind of guage to read fan opinion is laughable. You'd have as much luck in Facebook comment sections.
Mod you wound me. I am a poc
So fucking what? Nearly every post you make oozes with condemnation for some group. With one post it's harping against strong women characters, the next you're going off on diversity. Just because you're a POC, doesn't mean you can't be a POS. Your entire persona since you showed up here has reeked of incel.
I am not a bigot
If it walks like a duck...
 
Adria and Gray served no real purpose but to be just what they were, a stand in for non binary couples. they were just poorly created and also it does not help that discovery did not really have the greatest writing.

Also the actors were bland, one note and boring as you can get. they added nothing to the show. Emperor Georgiou who we used to call Space Hitler in the hey days was kind of entertaining to watch, love or hate her, she was never boring and of course she was played by the fabulous Michelle Yeoh, who is just hard to hate in any role.

Lastly TNG has already dealt with non binary romance and had Riker of all people play one of the main characters in love with the non binary character and while it was not my favourite TNG episode, TNG executed it well as usual.

Adiria and Gray felt more like ticking a box than telling a story with depth as TNG did.
I just wish when people say ......oh people hate spock/chapel or adria/gray they give real reasons why. fans do not just wake up and start hating on a pairing, something has to trigger it.

Forget Me Not was, at the time it came out, my favorite episode of DIS. I wasn't wowed by Ian Alexander's acting, but IMHO Blu del Barrio hit it out of the park as Adira there.

The problem is, they ran out of ideas after that, both for the characters individually, as well as for their relationship. They found a way to bring Gray back to life, but IMHO it read wrong after having undone Culber's death in the second season - as if they realized in retrospect that they were going to be slagged for "bury your gays" and felt the need to retcon their choice. After that, they just sort of slowly drifted apart and broke up amicably. There was never any passion, any struggle, any growth. They just sort of shrugged and moved on. No story role was ever figured out for Gray, and Adira was just awkwardly shunted into "young person" after Mary Wiseman had aged out of being able to do this with Tilly (which also meant ignoring the whole joined aspect, which meant essentially nothing after her character's introduction).

I want to be clear though that not knowing what to do with characters is pretty much the norm across DIS. Not having a crew formed around set positions on the ship means they always fumbled around trying to make the non-Michael characters relevant.

It's weird that no one seems to be mentioning the gay married couple who were awesome and wonderfully portrayed. Adira and Gray were not my favorite, adorable as they were. I kind of felt like the actors themselves were too inexperienced and didn't have the chops to meet the moment. That's my take. Hugh and Paul were perfect though. Also, I fucking love Discovery.

I dunno if I agree. Anthony Rapp and Wilson Cruz are masterful actors, and did great work with what they were given. However, they had zero chemistry together, coming across at best like an old married couple for whom the passion had died, and at worst like work colleagues who occasionally kissed. Cruz had better chemistry with Shazad Latif in that fight scene in Season 2, or in some of the one-on-one scenes he had with David Ajala. I just never believed that the two actors (and hence characters) found one another the slightest bit attractive.

I'll also say that Rapp got a bum deal as DIS went on, with his contributions to Seasons 4 and especially 5 very, very limited.
 

That's very realistic.

Yes, you are right .

it is very realistic when you are white, have blue eyes, coded as desirable to the male audience, pretty and blonde. you can get away with anything. Tell me something that is new in this world?

And I am meant to be the bigot even though I am exposing the most cliche form of race bias that exist in snw?:rolleyes: while at the same time calling for stronger or better casting for other magazined groups that goes beyond their ethnicity, gender or sexuality alone so they are not in a position where they feel like afterthoughts compared to the status quo white characters.
 
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