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"The whole of season 1 of Academy is worse than Code of Honor" is a level of hyperbole that I find more than a bit hard to take seriously.

Honestly, conceptually there is nothing wrong with “Code of Honor”. It plays like a mediocre episode of TOS, overall.

A few tweaks in the execution and we might remember the episode in a different light.

And, not the whole season is worse, just a substantial portion of it.
 
"The whole of season 1 of Academy is worse than Code of Honor" is a level of hyperbole that I find more than a bit hard to take seriously.
I suppose it depends on what you want in your Star Trek.

Though Starfleet Academy did do its own 'The heroes struggle to negotiate with another race that has a different culture and it all ends with a fight that they never intended to properly kill anyone in' story. In fact if it wasn't for the guy playing the Klingon leader, they would've been portrayed entirely by black actors there as well!
 
I'd watch Code of Honor for the second time before watching SFA again

"The whole of season 1 of Academy is worse than Code of Honor" is a level of hyperbole that I find more than a bit hard to take seriously.
"Code of Honor" would rather be watched again before watching any SFA again does not necessarily mean that what was said is that episode is not worse than all of SFA thus far. (Though "Code of Honor" IS certainly much better than at least 2 episodes of SFA.)

An example of what I mean: I think "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" is THE worst episode of TOS, and a high front runner for worst in the franchise. But I would much rather watch that episode again than any SFA episode again. Why? Because that TOS episode has characters I actually care about. SFA doesn't really have that. A majority of them are such generic tropes that I don't feel any connection to them.
 
Honestly, conceptually there is nothing wrong with “Code of Honor”. It plays like a mediocre episode of TOS, overall.

A few tweaks in the execution and we might remember the episode in a different light.

And, not the whole season is worse, just a substantial portion of it.
Agreed. That TNG episode still has a few good things in it.
 
An example of what I mean: I think "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" is THE worst episode of TOS, and a high front runner for worst in the franchise. But I would much rather watch that episode again than any SFA episode again. Why? Because that TOS episode has characters I actually care about. SFA doesn't really have that. A majority of them are such generic tropes that I don't feel any connection to them.
This will be the biggest driver for me is do I care about the characters. TNG does not inspire any care or warmth towards the characters for me, save for the occasional episodes. I have no desire to see these characters so their adventures are not inspiring for me to watch. I would rather watch SeaQuest before a lot of Berman era Trek because I give a crap about those characters.

SFA is lower down but I still have a passing interest in those characters.
 
Every criticism hung on “Code of Honor” is absolutely deserved.

The one criticism that I never see associated with it? That its boring.
Yeah, it's a dumpster fire in progress and you can't take your eyes off it. It's absolute shite and terribly written, but you can't take your eyes away from the avalanche of pure and unfiltered Fail.
 
Yeah, it's a dumpster fire in progress and you can't take your eyes off it. It's absolute shite and terribly written, but you can't take your eyes away from the avalanche of pure and unfiltered Fail.

I think there are some pretty respectable performances going on. It was probably the best work Denise Crosby did on TNG.

Besides, who can forget Picard using Federation technology to effect regime change!
 
It is kind of sad that the most screentime Denise got in the series before "Yesterday's Enterprise" was in this mess. She did the best she could with this script, but it's a shame this is where most of her purpose as a character was expended.
 
When the rubber hit the road, they easily abandoned their values. Which circles back to my original question: if you have to abandon your values, what have you really won?



They may have fixed their planet, but I'm not sure Bajor ever moved forward from it. It is a fixture of dysfunction across all seven seasons of the show.

I see DS9 as a show of moral ambivalence. Which is what made it interesting in its own right and different from what came before or since.
I love DS9. Its my favorite series( in case the avatar wasn't already a give away.) But you make some good points. The truth is, the show clearly demonstrated that the old Rodenberry ideals don't hold up when the rubber meets the road and you're about to lose a war. Unless you are Julian Bashir and crazy enough to accept surrender on the hopes that future generations will one day rise up.
 
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The truth is, the show clearly demonstrated that the old Rodenberry ideals don't hold up when the rubber meets the road and you're about to lose a war.
If that was the case then then Bashir would've just let the Section 31 virus kill the Changelings. But he went out of his way, even kidnapped a person and hacked into his brain, in order to prevent the deaths of the people they were at war with. The end result was they were able to make a lasting peace with the Founders and coexist with them, and the Jem'Hadar didn't go nuts and murder a bunch of people in revenge. Happy Star Trek ending!
 
If that was the case then then Bashir would've just let the Section 31 virus kill the Changelings. But he went out of his way, even kidnapped a person and hacked into his brain, in order to prevent the deaths of the people they were at war with. The end result was they were able to make a lasting peace with the Founders and coexist with them, and the Jem'Hadar didn't go nuts and murder a bunch of people in revenge. Happy Star Trek ending!
I dont recall kidnapping and mind rape being a part of the Rodenberry mantra. In fact, GR blew a gasket after seeing TUC, which had a mind rape sequence in it. He would also have objected to Siskos actions in The Pale Moonlight. There's also the fact that GR never wanted Star Trek to be about wars to begin with so that negates the entire last two seasons of the show. Not that Im complaining as I always thought the TNG version of Star Trek needed to be questioned the same way it liked to question and judge everything else.

But enough about that greatly written Star Trek show. We arent in that thread.
 
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The one criticism that I never see associated with it? That its boring.
Yeah, it's a dumpster fire in progress and you can't take your eyes off it. It's absolute shite and terribly written, but you can't take your eyes away from the avalanche of pure and unfiltered Fail.
These sentiments are basically what I mean when I say Code of Honor is so bad it's kinda good. Yeah, the episode is garbage and even offensive, but damn does it make one hell of a way to spend forty-five minutes. Especially if you have substance assisted enhancements while you're watching.

That said, I will more likely watch any and all of SFA again before I feel a compelling urge to revisit Code of Honor.
 
You end up realizing something when you start overthinking about it.

I would rather watch any episode of SFA than to be tortured with “The Inner Light” again.
 
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