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Scotland Leaving the UK: America's Opinion

I think most Americans don't even KNOW that Scotland wants out of the UK, nor do most of them care.

I can certainly understand WHY Scotland wants independence, but I'm highly skeptical of their ability to pull it off. It will have to create a completely different currency, economic base, etc. If the people involved in the heavy lifting think it can be done, then more power to them.
 
This should help:

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I love that no one knows anything about Latvia!
 
I fully support Scotland's attempts to throw off the yoke of English oppression! As any real American would. Victory or Death!!
The world is very different than it was in the 18th century, though. Any state that separates from a larger entity needs to navigate economic waters very carefully. That's why I laugh whenever Texas threatens to secede from the US. We'd be fine...but would they? Maybe, for awhile. Now, if CALIFORNIA seceded, on the other hand, that would cause shockwaves.
 
I think most Americans don't even KNOW that Scotland wants out of the UK, nor do most of them care.

I can certainly understand WHY Scotland wants independence, but I'm highly skeptical of their ability to pull it off. It will have to create a completely different currency, economic base, etc. If the people involved in the heavy lifting think it can be done, then more power to them.


Yeah, this. I certainly wasn't aware of it. But then again, it doesn't affect me.

This does kind of mirror the situation of Canada & Quebec though, but on the other hand Quebec never was its own country.
 
Dimesdan said:
And I feel that if the roles were reversed, say how would the British or Europeans or wider world would feel if Texas left the union, I would say it's not our place and a case of internal matters.

It may be an internal matter, but I am sure that TPTB in America have an opinion of it. Of course Joe Schmoe American might not care one way or another, but most also have no idea what the ramifications are of Scotland staying a part of the U.K. vs. becoming an independent nation. I'm sure that American govn't analysts have compiled reports for TPTB in the American govn't regarding how Scotland leaving the U.K. will or will not affect America. Surely if the situation were reversed and Texas were leaving the U.S. then British analysts would be giving reports to TPTB in the U.K. about how it would affect them.

World history has shown us that countries have a habit of meddling in the internal affairs of other countries. I have no idea if any foreign power is trying to influence Scotland's decision in this matter, but would it really be surprising if they were? Of course, that isn't the main point of this post, but I'm just saying that it does happen.
 
I have to say that this is the first I've heard of it. In the US we have our own problems that take most of my attention.

If independence for Scotland is a serious question, the citizens have to weigh the up/down sides. What is the reason for the split? Is the goal more personal and economic freedom? Will it be a clean cut or a slow transition? There are other, deeper questions that would take too much time to delve into here.

But if Scotland's reasons for wanting independence are valid, the US government will support it, even if that support is tacit.

Would Scotland want entrance into the EU? We'll see. Acceptance into the UN is another question entirely.
 
I fully support Scotland's attempts to throw off the yoke of English oppression! As any real American would. Victory or Death!!
The world is very different than it was in the 18th century, though. Any state that separates from a larger entity needs to navigate economic waters very carefully. That's why I laugh whenever Texas threatens to secede from the US. We'd be fine...but would they? Maybe, for awhile. Now, if CALIFORNIA seceded, on the other hand, that would cause shockwaves.

If Texas wanted to leave I believe most Americans would say "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." But they are just a bunch of whiners and will not do anything.
 
How much of the British Navy will they be keeping?

Their taxes paid for part of it after all. And what other communal property will they be getting?

Maybe one of the Channel Islands?

If Texas wanted to leave I believe most Americans would say "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."
Texas has the second strongest state economy after California.

Maybe we could lose Vermont instead.


:)
 
This should help:

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I love that no one knows anything about Latvia!

To be honest, my knowledge of that part of Europe is kinda fuzzy.

While using stumbleupon yesterday, found a page that linked to this page, which was rather amusing. A bunch of Brits writing down states of America and then vis versa, a bunch of Americans writing down the different nations of Europe. I must admit, I think I would get atleast half correct for the states and nearly all the European nations correct.

I once held a pub quiz with a picture round of the USA and naming all fifty states, expecting no one to get more than thirty states, one team, with a member who had lived and worked over there got forty-nine of the fifty correct.

Dimesdan said:
And I feel that if the roles were reversed, say how would the British or Europeans or wider world would feel if Texas left the union, I would say it's not our place and a case of internal matters.

It may be an internal matter, but I am sure that TPTB in America have an opinion of it. Of course Joe Schmoe American might not care one way or another, but most also have no idea what the ramifications are of Scotland staying a part of the U.K. vs. becoming an independent nation. I'm sure that American govn't analysts have compiled reports for TPTB in the American govn't regarding how Scotland leaving the U.K. will or will not affect America. Surely if the situation were reversed and Texas were leaving the U.S. then British analysts would be giving reports to TPTB in the U.K. about how it would affect them.

World history has shown us that countries have a habit of meddling in the internal affairs of other countries. I have no idea if any foreign power is trying to influence Scotland's decision in this matter, but would it really be surprising if they were? Of course, that isn't the main point of this post, but I'm just saying that it does happen.

Oh I know it does, there are numerous examples, even in recent history that shows that countries will meddle in the internal affairs of another country, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Egypt, to name a just a few examples, and that last example can be seen as the final nail in the coffin of the British Empire. And here is a map showing the countries that Great Britain has invaded and obviously "meddled" in over the centuries!

So anyway, there is a difference between proactively meddling in a countries internal affairs (which you seem to be advocating) and writing up reports and saying this is what is happening.

I'm sure the Obama Administration is keeping an eye (just the one and half closed) on the situation, they probably have told Obama what the likely outcomes are. Now the thing is, if Obama then has an opinion on the matter (which he may not) and publicly announces it, I wouldn't be surprised if Alex Salmond uses this to his advantage. Either using it as an example of "American Imperialism" if he says Scotland should stay or if Obama says Scotland should leave the Union, "hey look, we have the Americans backing" and it would be safer economically to leave!

I'm more interested in what our European allies have to say on the matter and ultimately, if Scotland did leave the Union, the future of Northern Ireland? Would that be integrated into Eire or become a free state? And also, the future of what remains of the UK regarding the European Union.
 
I'm more interested in what our European allies have to say on the matter and ultimately, if Scotland did leave the Union, the future of Northern Ireland? Would that be integrated into Eire or become a free state? And also, the future of what remains of the UK regarding the European Union.

a) Ireland doesn't want Northern Ireland (majority view)
b) Northern Ireland doesn't want to be anywhere except part of the Union.(majority view)
 
I'm more interested in what our European allies have to say on the matter and ultimately, if Scotland did leave the Union, the future of Northern Ireland? Would that be integrated into Eire or become a free state? And also, the future of what remains of the UK regarding the European Union.

a) Ireland doesn't want Northern Ireland (majority view)

The Irish people I've spoken to on the matter couldn't actually care less at this point actually.

Any chance you can supply some polls on the matter then? I'm sure RTE or the like have done some polls to back that up. :techman:
 
I have to say that this is the first I've heard of it. In the US we have our own problems that take most of my attention.

If independence for Scotland is a serious question, the citizens have to weigh the up/down sides. What is the reason for the split? Is the goal more personal and economic freedom? Will it be a clean cut or a slow transition? There are other, deeper questions that would take too much time to delve into here.

But if Scotland's reasons for wanting independence are valid, the US government will support it, even if that support is tacit.

Would Scotland want entrance into the EU? We'll see. Acceptance into the UN is another question entirely.

There are also some 800 000 Scots who live and work elsewhere in the UK(or around the world) who might be affected by the result of this vote, yet have no say. Sure they might not be living in Scotland, but surely a YES vote could impact on them. I'm sure some would argue costs of having them vote and there would no doubt be some costs the more cynical might say it's not a matter of costs but rather those 800 000 are more likely to vote to remain in the union.
 
You mean it's not really from CBS? :eek: :rommie:

It actually is, a bit more research shows that it is a screenshot from the Craig Ferguson Late Late Show, supposedly riffing on his view of Europe as a Scot. :lol:

It must be drawn by an American staffer though, because if it were really drawn by a Scot they would have not have failed to draw a line between England and Wales, when declaring the English wankers, and i've never heard a Brit pluralise Lego before either.
 
I can certainly understand WHY Scotland wants independence

Good, then could you explain it to me please?

Well instead of having English MP's stealing and not listening to the voter and tax payer, will have Scottish MP's stealing and not listening to the tax payer, it's a big diffrence. :lol:

God i will be glad when it's over and done and MP's can slither back under their stones and go back to feathering their own nest, anything that get's MP'S out of my line of vision is good.:techman:
 
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