Sci-Fi Wire Report On "Enterprise"...

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by Admiral Buzzkill, Jul 23, 2003.

  1. janek

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    What if I liked how T'Pol was being nurtured for past two years -- slowly learning to appreciate humanity but without totally being part of it? I'm curious how far writers are going to go with her emotional experiment. Do you think it will be possible for T'Pol's to maintain her core Vulcan characteristic but with more added “flavor”? Don't know what I'm asking but like to hear your thoughts. :)
     
  2. Admiral Buzzkill

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    I've liked T'Pol all the way along and would be happy to see her continue to develop as she has. OTOH, other possibilities sound interesting as well. :)
     
  3. Admiral Buzzkill

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    This really is the crux of the matter. Roddenberry enjoyed, or at least learned to enjoy and appreciate for its strategic value, being a public figure and minor celebrity and a sort of quasi-politician. He was rather an exception -- most people who seek that kind of attention don't become producers and writers (or aren't very good ones; pursuing art for the sake of fame is like buying lottery tickets to pay your mortgage). Berman has never taken to it. Braga has gotten somewhat better at it since "Enterprise" began (at least, he's seemed to try. Look back over his statements last year and see what I mean).

    I have a hunch that Viacom's leadership would not appreciate another Trek producer who courted the fans in the manner that Roddenberry did; a goodly part of his technique was maintaining a kind of faux humble, "frank" demeanor while casting aspersions on the people that he worked for and with whenever aspects of Trek were criticized. GR was definitely a countervailing force to the corporate machine, and however much he may be missed creatively Viacom is not sorry that the era when they had to negotiate over the direction of their Franchise is over -- nor would they brook its return.
     
  4. Imzadi13

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    Can't say I'm too happy bout this.
    I wasn't keen on the exploring the emotions too much anyhoo, but know the possibility of a relationship thrown in there.
    We all know I'm for the Archer/ T'Pol relationship, but I wouldn't stop watching if Trip and T'Pol got together...but I was really hoping that they would hold off on ANY relationship until the last seasons.
    I guess this means that my Trip/Hoshi is out the window too. Shame really, those two rock together.
    Oh well... :o
     
  5. janek

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    ^Good to hear. Not in our control anyway. Hope for the best. :)
     
  6. emily_reich

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    ^ well, ya never know... trip/hoshi??? archer/tpol?? it could all be possible still!! :D (well, look who's WRITING it)

    i mean, forget the love triangle, they may just go for the love SQUARE!! :eek: :eek:

    actually, i seriously hope this DOESN'T happen.... :eek:
     
  7. pookha

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    As much as I like seeing trip and tpol together now isnt the right time for a romance
    I do hope this means that she will be there for him as a friend.
    it does make sense. vulcans every day must control their dark emotions., they know how dangerous they are ,
    it may we see her helping him with mediatation ect

    but it will be good to see them get some screen time together again..
     
  8. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Times of peril and crisis are always the right time for romance...not to mention, the most likely. ;):D
     
  9. emily_reich

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    i must say that (whether this was meant as a joke or not :p) this is usually the case in television, and that i think it will work on ENT (as long as they do NOT make it an ANIS repeat :mad:)
     
  10. Imzadi13

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    are you trying to make me more sad :lol: :p


    Seriously though. I was really hoping that all relationships would be put off until the later seasons, as I've said many times before.
    I wanted ENT to work on developing all the characters more indivudually than pairing them off.
    And now, if Trip and T'Pol do indeed get together, what happens if the relationship goes sour and they end up fighting more. I really enjoyed the light banter between them...I hope nothing bad happens.
    *sigh* Relationships this early....so many things can go wrong...
     
  11. emily_reich

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    ok, you do have a very good point.... although personally i think it would be almost MORE interesting if they had problems, but then found ways to reseolve them... but ya know, that's just me :)

    but you're right.. this i prob'ly one of the earliest trek romances... EVER :eek: :eek:
     
  12. Ptrope

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    "Changed," maybe, but the descriptions we keep hearing sound more like "diluted," or simply "misinterpreted." If the show were anything but Star Trek (and, of course, many of us do believe it is anything but Star Trek), then what you describe would be a stock alien character, one who is nothing more than a typical human character with make-up, and might be a decent one, as well. The thing that used to set Trek apart was that it didn't rely upon "stock alien characters." If the only way to set this Trek apart, to make it unique from its predecessors, is to make it more like its competition, past and present, then why bother making it Trek at all?

    Besides that, it just strikes me as a really terrible message, one that this series in particular has been more guilty of than the rest and from the very beginning, that humanity is somehow the only really viable way to be. Archer has an unfortunate record of "humanity first," proselytizing its superiority to the Vulcans, the Klingons, and nearly every other race they encounter. For a mission of exploration, of the expansion of knowledge, they sure seem like missionaries, instead. And now to say that T'Pol is going to embark upon this journey of "discovering her own humanity," well, I can just imagine the wacky hijinks, not to mention the subtle affirmations that "that's the only way to be 'right.'"

    Is T'Pol the Vulcan equivalent of Archer? Is the Vulcan High Command as slipshod in its methods and its machinations as Starfleet? First we questioned the wisdom of Archer's selection as captain, a man who has no command skills, little in the way of actual personality, no diplomatic skills, no common sense, only common DNA with the engines' designer, and yet he has been selected, out of all of Earth's people, to command a starship destined for unknown worlds and unknown races in search of (one would assume, but we could be wrong) peaceful contact and the exchange of knowledge. Don't they test anyone, screen anyone? Or was Archer just drawn out of a hat (possibly from under a rock), or maybe Papa Archer had something really distasteful on the heads of Starfleet.

    Now take T'Pol. The Vulcans must be aware of the pressure inherent upon one of their own immersed in a culture rampant with unchecked emotions. Would we expect them to not thoroughly screen and vet every candidate for their diplomatic missions, to assure that they were of the strongest mental discipline, and the deepest connection to the ideals of Surak? Would a people who have now been shown to casually allow their own to die without treatment, because they had the temerity to embrace their emotions and were considered a threat to the sanctity of Vulcan ideals and society, not take every precaution to prevent the possibility that one of their own might be corrupted by this onslaught of human chaos? Or that they would not double their efforts when assigning an officer to live in constant close proximity to nearly a hundred volatile humans in close quarters, with no other Vulcan around for support? Surely they would pick the crustiest, hardest, most emotionally-bankrupt master of their disciplines, someone who would make a cucumber seem positively infernal.

    The character they describe in ENT might be interesting in another context, but in Trek, she's nothing more than another puppet for the writers.
     
  13. 23skidoo

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    Based on the spoilers I've seen thus far, I don't think this is something we're going to see until later in the season, possibly after the Xindi arc ends (if indeed it isn't a full-season arc), or after a period of time has elapsed.

    We also don't know what form this "intimacy" will take. That term is quite loaded and could mean anything from ANIS redux to a scenario similar to what we saw on Voyager in which 7 of 9 started dating Chakotay on the holodeck episodes before getting up the guts to launch a relationship with the real deal. In this case, there is no holodeck to play with.

    As an Archer/T'Pol shipper, I still hold out hope of something developing down the line. "Intimacy" between Trip and T'Pol (whatever the heck that means) is not necessarily something that will last for the rest of the show's run. A triangle of sorts (even a subtle one) could be very interesting.

    If Trek keeps true to form, sometime midway through S7 she'll hook up with Mayweather, anyway! ;)

    Cheers!

    Alex
     
  14. emily_reich

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    you definately make a good point... we have no idea EXACTLY what this means for the show... we don't know when anything will happen and we certainly don't know how much will happen.... but ya know, even if this jsut means a really close friendship, that would be perfectly fine with me :)

    :eek: now, don't EVEN be giving B&B any ideas! :eek: :eek:
     
  15. janek

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    Yep, hope Archer causes some serious damage -- okay, in good way. And now that T'Pol might hook up with Trip, I hope he does get lucky with you-know-who. Poor guy will be more stressed out than ever. :D
     
  16. janek

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    Thanks for that, Alex. It's great hearing/reading your take on things. :)
     
  17. Imzadi13

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    I had a brain storm a few minutes ago.
    Perhaps they aren't saying Sexual Intimacy at all. You know B&B like to say things that lead you to believe one thing, but means something entirely different.
    Perhaps this "Intimacy" comes in the form of a deep friendship.
    My theory is that perhaps T'Pol offers to help Trip learn to meditate to get over his sister's death and the repercussions of that. By doing this they form a deeper friendship bond of trust.
    Then, this can keep a "sexual relationship" outta the equation for now, and still keep the mystery of who will be with whom.
    Also, it will give the people out there that see nothing between Trip and T'Pol time to rethink their stance and observe the wonderful interactions the two have.

    I'm still all for Archer and T'Pol and Trip and HOshi....however, if handled correctly, and T/TP form a deeper friendship, like the friendship and trust between Archer and T'Pol, then perhaps it might not be so bad...

    i think..... :o
     
  18. emily_reich

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    well, in a way, i would almost prefer a very deep friendship, especially considering ANIS seems to be B&B's version of "romance" [​IMG]

    and since i love interaction between them of any kind, i could certianly live with this :)

    some people seem to think that 'shippers only want romance... that's certainly not the case :)
     
  19. Imzadi13

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    very true. It just means that we are in favor of deeper relationships between certain characters :)

    PS that av still has me crackin up...I must be REALLY tired :p
     
  20. Othello

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    Long as they show the entire encounter after that bit of dialouge it'll be fine with me!!! ;)

    Cue the cheesy porno music baby!!! :D