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How Disney/Lucasfilm could bring Indiana Jones back

Do I have a problem, however, with the idea that an ancient Greek mathematician was able to predict when time travel storms would occur, as in, dates and times, thousands of years into the future? Yeah, I do.

The way the dial works is also very poorly explained, but it seems that the time portal was a one time natural phenomenon that linked the battle and 1969 for a few hours. So if it was a unique uncontrollable phenomenon what do all the gears and such in the dial do exactly?

The second film and the crap they did in it, was terrible and it should be forgotten.

except for the racist stuff in Temple of Doom

In TOD's defense the banquet scene was intended to be the Thugee deliberately feeding the white people outlandish dishes to scare them away. The scene where Indy discussed this with the British Major was deleted. Indy points out that Hindus would never eat stuff like that and are clearly trying to get rid of them.
 
Unpopular opinion: I love all of the Indiana Jones films

That's not an opinion, that's a statement of your enjoyment. An unpopular (and wrong) opinion would be that all five movies are of similar quality. ;)


The crystal skull and all of the mythology behind it is just as real the arc and the grail, so it's not really fair to be OK with the first two but then criticize them for using the third.

I'm an atheist, so I consider all mythology inaccurate, but there is a real and significant difference, even if only on a vibes level, of folklore that develops naturally over time, such as the Ark/Grail stories, and modern forgeries from completely different cultures like crystal skulls.


It's not the age of Ford, he's still a brilliant actor

It's not not that, though. What a person can do, which includes their age, job and physical ability, is key to who they are at any given point in time. If a supervillain were to amputate James Bond's arms, he would no longer be quite the same character, because he'd be unable to do his prior job. In real life, of course, real humans deserve respect, so it's natural and proper to keep respecting Ford as one of cinema's all-time greatest action heroes. But when the 2D character on the screen can no longer credibly win a fight, or romance a woman of child-bearing age, he's no longer quite the same character as he was during the Raiders years.

As the RedLetterMedia gang has observed, Indiana Jones was never meant to be a complex or even particularly unique (in-universe or out) character. He's Archaeology Action Man, plus a quirky snake phobia and an iffy bit of personal history with sleeping with a teenager in his 20s. Within the heightened, popcorn movie world of the series, no reason another charismatic actor couldn't play another, equally interesting Archaeology Action Man on a different adventure. Sadly, however, Lucasfilm seems to lack the guts and imagination to attempt anything even mildly new. (Or, when it does, it tends to do so badly, as with The Acolyte. Hint: a Star Wars show shouldn't be boring, and its heroes shouldn't be unlikable and dull.)

Case in point: when concept artist Jim Steranko made these paintings for Raiders, he hadn't even read the script. "Archaeology Action Man looks for a relic, punches fascists." It really shouldn't be complicated nor particularly difficult.


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I'm an atheist, so I consider all mythology inaccurate, but there is a real and significant difference, even if only on a vibes level, of folklore that develops naturally over time, such as the Ark/Grail stories, and modern forgeries from completely different cultures like crystal skulls.
You're not gonna be able to make "Raiders is grounded" happen.
If a supervillain were to amputate James Bond's arms, he would no longer be quite the same character, because he'd be unable to do his prior job.
But he could get CYBORG ARMS. And then he could do the shit out of his job, just with CYBORG ARMS.
Hint: a Star Wars show shouldn't be boring, and its heroes shouldn't be unlikable and dull.
(*didn't watch it)
 
It's not not that, though. What a person can do, which includes their age, job and physical ability, is key to who they are at any given point in time. If a supervillain were to amputate James Bond's arms, he would no longer be quite the same character, because he'd be unable to do his prior job. In real life, of course, real humans deserve respect, so it's natural and proper to keep respecting Ford as one of cinema's all-time greatest action heroes. But when the 2D character on the screen can no longer credibly win a fight, or romance a woman of child-bearing age, he's no longer quite the same character as he was during the Raiders years.

As the RedLetterMedia gang has observed, Indiana Jones was never meant to be a complex or even particularly unique (in-universe or out) character. He's Archaeology Action Man, plus a quirky snake phobia and an iffy bit of personal history with sleeping with a teenager in his 20s. Within the heightened, popcorn movie world of the series, no reason another charismatic actor couldn't play another, equally interesting Archaeology Action Man on a different adventure. Sadly, however, Lucasfilm seems to lack the guts and imagination to attempt anything even mildly new. (Or, when it does, it tends to do so badly, as with The Acolyte. Hint: a Star Wars show shouldn't be boring, and its heroes shouldn't be unlikable and dull.)

Case in point: when concept artist Jim Steranko made these paintings for Raiders, he hadn't even read the script. "Archaeology Action Man looks for a relic, punches fascists." It really shouldn't be complicated nor particularly difficult.

Sure, valid points but if they're dead set on Ford reprising the role at his age then you adapt and evolve the story and character to reflect his age. They certainly tried with Crystal Skull and Destiny but failed, especially in building up a "new" Indiana Jones to carry the franchise forward.

How to do it? I don't know. I have never written a script before but the people involved in the movies sure did and what i saw just didn't work for me and it's certainly not to the character aging and not being able to properly swing around with his whip or punch people out by the dozen.

Given your Bond analogy but not so extreme when they rebooted the franchise with Craig they turned in some of the best Bonds ever and they acknowledged inmovie that Craig was aging out and did it well enough ( just too bad that the final movie storywise didn't work for me) including a changing of the general tone with Craigs' movies without sacrificing the core of the character ( even with severely reduced gadget options).

That could have been a template spiritwise to revitalize the Indiana Jones franchise but they didn't do it and it apparently ended now on a low note.
 
I'm an atheist, so I consider all mythology inaccurate, but there is a real and significant difference, even if only on a vibes level, of folklore that develops naturally over time, such as the Ark/Grail stories, and modern forgeries from completely different cultures like crystal skulls.
Oh, I didn't realize the whole mythology behind them was BS, I had thought there was a real ancient mythology behind them and the people who faked them just based them off it.



It's not not that, though. What a person can do, which includes their age, job and physical ability, is key to who they are at any given point in time. If a supervillain were to amputate James Bond's arms, he would no longer be quite the same character, because he'd be unable to do his prior job. In real life, of course, real humans deserve respect, so it's natural and proper to keep respecting Ford as one of cinema's all-time greatest action heroes. But when the 2D character on the screen can no longer credibly win a fight, or romance a woman of child-bearing age, he's no longer quite the same character as he was during the Raiders years.

As the RedLetterMedia gang has observed, Indiana Jones was never meant to be a complex or even particularly unique (in-universe or out) character. He's Archaeology Action Man, plus a quirky snake phobia and an iffy bit of personal history with sleeping with a teenager in his 20s. Within the heightened, popcorn movie world of the series, no reason another charismatic actor couldn't play another, equally interesting Archaeology Action Man on a different adventure. Sadly, however, Lucasfilm seems to lack the guts and imagination to attempt anything even mildly new. (Or, when it does, it tends to do so badly, as with The Acolyte. Hint: a Star Wars show shouldn't be boring, and its heroes shouldn't be unlikable and dull.)
The version of Nathan Drake in the games is a perfect example of a new modern take on the Indian Jones type of character, and I know this is blasphemy, but in some ways I'd say he's actually a better character, with a more interesting backstory and history than Indy. Naughty Dog also really made a smart choice when they cast Nolan North in the role, because he is phenomenal, and really gives Harrison Ford as Indy a run for his money.
 
I've been playing the PC version of Indiana Jones and the Great Circle through Amazon's Luna game streaming service, and it has been fantastic so far. Not only is it a great game, but it's a fantastic Indiana Jones story too. They really did an amazing job of capturing the look, tone, and style of the movies, and Troy Baker is great as Indy. Honestly, if I didn't know going in Baker was playing Indy, I would have thought it actually was Harrison Ford. If they ever do an animated Indiana Jones movie or so, they need to just bring Baker back.
I'd think I'd actually rate as my third favorite Indy story behind Raiders and Last Crusade.
If you're and Indiana Jones fan and a gamer and you haven't played it yet, you really need to. The basic Luna subscription comes free with a Prime account, so if you have Prime, you can play The Great Circle for free.
 
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