Yes, because it means something to me, in spite of your rude and condescending post.Oh, you're taking that "prime universe" seriously as if it means something, huh?
Sarek, played by James Frain
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Well you're mistaken, then. The phrase "prime universe" means just about nothing as far as the production of future Star Trek is concerned.
They will change whatever they need to change to suit the passage of time and their own production goals, just as they have in the past.
The way it looks, the way it plays, the details of continuity and events will be no more like TOS than it will be like nuTrek and quite likely much closer to nuTrek if for no other reason than that it's being made at the same time as nuTrek and fifty years later than TOS.
You really didn't think they'd recast? How did you think Fuller would approach his expressed interest in the Amanda Grayson character - CGI?
They will change whatever they need to change to suit the passage of time and their own production goals, just as they have in the past.
The way it looks, the way it plays, the details of continuity and events will be no more like TOS than it will be like nuTrek and quite likely much closer to nuTrek if for no other reason than that it's being made at the same time as nuTrek and fifty years later than TOS.
You really didn't think they'd recast? How did you think Fuller would approach his expressed interest in the Amanda Grayson character - CGI?
Oh, you're taking that "prime universe" seriously as if it means something, huh?
Quote of the day.
I mean, what is it exactly - a promise that we won't hear about the U.S.S. Kelvin?
There's not a significant documented narrative difference in continuity between nuTrek and oldTrek at the macro level. Claims that the ships are bigger because Nero or that Starfleet is more militaristic because Nero are largely retroactive rationalizations that have no bearing on much of anything within the scope of a show set ten years before TOS/Star Trek 2009.
The ships will look however the producers think they ought to for 2017. So will the costumes and makeup (and remember the guy in charge of everything was one of the producers who created nuTrek). Just about every announcement about the show so far has brought with it some bit of concern that the news doesn't fit squarely with some fannish notion of "canon."
I dunno, maybe at some point in the pilot someone will mention an Academy instructor named Kirk, or something. That's what we call "fan service," right?
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Well technically all of this is arbitrary and only has meaning insofar as we (or really CBS/Paramount) ascribe meaning to it. Prime just means we won't see Mirror Spock, unless something happens that brings him into the Prime. Same for Kelvin Spock.I mean, what is it exactly - a promise that we won't see the U.S.S. Kelvin or Faran Tahir?
What's the difference between Prime Spock and Kelvin Spock, again?
Oh, yeah - one's played by Leonard Nimoy and one by Zachary Quinto.
When they get around to bringing Spock on as an occasional character, which of the above actors do you suppose will play him?
Probably a third actor - maybe Tyler Hoechlin.
Oh, yeah - one's played by Leonard Nimoy and one by Zachary Quinto.
When they get around to bringing Spock on as an occasional character, which of the above actors do you suppose will play him?
Probably a third actor - maybe Tyler Hoechlin.
The difference is they are the same Spock but in two different and separate alternate universes. When the Narada and Spock went through the black hole, they created a new timeline through their alteration of the past. TOS still exists, and the KT exists, they're just parallel, alternate universes. Prime's relationship to Kelvin is similar to its relationship with the Mirror. It's explained in ST09.
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Frain was great on Orphan Black as Ferdinand and just as great on the short lived Intruders as Richard Shepherd, another very dangerous character.
It'll be interesting to see him as Sarek, whenever we finally do get to see him as Sarek
It'll be interesting to see him as Sarek, whenever we finally do get to see him as Sarek
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In other words, there's no difference.
They're the same guy.
Spock shows up in Discovery, he's going to mention Nero?
Not if it's the so-called prime universe.
Also, probably not in the Abramsverse. Why would he?
Since the Abramsverse is defined, at the time of Discovery, just about entirely by stuff that didn't happen in the prime timeline, we're dealing mainly with negative proof here.
"As you know, Commander, there is no record of a Romulan named Nero destroying the Kelvin."
Yeah, how's that dialogue supposed to happen?
If it's mentioned at some point that no one knows what a Romulan looks like, prime universe fans will claim that's "proof" of something or another.
Except that it's not.
Look - the producers can say "It's the prime universe" all they like - but they're going to keep doing things week after week that don't fit with oldTrek. You can bank on that.
In that regard it will be Enterprise all over again - which is fine.
So, will it make prime universe fans happy if the producers do (or have done) that - just declare the show to be set in the prime timeline? Because that's all they're going to get.
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I like Frain as a character actor, but he definitely leans toward the creepy end of the spectrum. Would much rather him as a Romulan.
Ben Cross was awesome in his day but is too old now. He could play Sarek's dad perhaps.
Mark Lenard was a good looking "leading man" type. I'd prefer they recast the character like he was. Frain's Sarek is more likely to get maced (either definition) by Amanda than attract her.
Maybe they'll wait for Fuller now. Dare to dream.
Ben Cross was awesome in his day but is too old now. He could play Sarek's dad perhaps.
Mark Lenard was a good looking "leading man" type. I'd prefer they recast the character like he was. Frain's Sarek is more likely to get maced (either definition) by Amanda than attract her.
Maybe they'll wait for Fuller now. Dare to dream.
I get that a lot of it is just semantics and that in the process of the actual storytelling it probably doesn't make that much of a difference. But it's convenient for the purposes of fan discussion, sometimes.In other words, there's no difference.
They're the same guy.
Spock shows up in Discovery, he's going to mention Nero?
Not if it's the so-called prime universe.
Also, probably not in the Abramsverse. Why would he?
Since the Abramsverse is defined, at the time of Discovery, just about entirely by stuff that didn't happen in the prime timeline, we're dealing mainly with negative proof here.
"As you know, Commander, there is no record of a Romulan named Nero destroying the Kelvin."
Yeah, how's that dialogue supposed to happen?
If it's mentioned at some point that no one knows what a Romulan looks like, prime universe fans will claim that's "proof" of something or another.
Except that it's not.
Look - the producers can say "It's the prime universe" all they like - but they're going to keep doing things week after week that don't fit with oldTrek. You can bank on that.
So, will it make prime universe fans happy if the producers do (or have done) that - just declare the show to be set in the prime timeline? Because that's all they're going to get.
In any case, an example of this separation being relevant can be found in Star Trek Online, which I know isn't canon, yada yada yada, I'm just using it as an example. I can't remember the precise mission, but at some point an NPC tells the player about how Spock disappeared after an encounter with Nero and they don't know what happened to him but he's presumed dead. Not that he went to an alternate universe. That's the kind of separation of timelines that I think most people mean. They really are separate realities.
The Prime Universe has done its share of recasting - Saavik, Cochrane, Ziyal, Ishka, T'Pau, Toral, Admiral Paris, Alexander, Surak, Amanda Grayson, Kahless, Kol...
Good news. I've liked James Frain ever since I first saw him as Cromwell on The Tudors.
Funny thing, in my mind I've always thought that he'd make a good Romulan if there ever was a new Trek. And now he's going to play Sarek. I suppose they could have him play the Romulan Commander on DSC as well.
Funny thing, in my mind I've always thought that he'd make a good Romulan if there ever was a new Trek. And now he's going to play Sarek. I suppose they could have him play the Romulan Commander on DSC as well.
I mean, what is it exactly - a promise that we won't hear about the U.S.S. Kelvin?
Kirk's dad could be in this one?
Though, apparently he's in the next film, so...
No difference I can think of.
Not familiar with the actor, but Sarek being in the show is good news to me.
I dunno if a shadowy figure giving birth should count, but okay.
Also some bad news that will surely upset people. EW is reporting that DSC's premiere date got pushed back again. No official word on a new date. They're speculating the fall. I'm not going to freak out over this just yet, but at this point, shit why not just bring back Fuller then?
Link: http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/18/star-trek-discovery-spock-premiere-date/
Real shame about the delay, assuming it's true. Four months of filming prior to release would seem plenty of time to get the show ready, and is more than most weekly TV shows get, but I guess they have a point about market confusion with the shows lead. Bright side, that would imply a big marketing campaign is going to be used to advertise Discovery.
Good casting choice for Sarek. Little things like this are good ties to the rest of Trek, and people can complain about "small world syndrome" as much as they want, but I personally love to see these little dots that connect the shows to one another.
That last point is how I wanted to address the discussion here about whether this show truly is "prime universe." We know for a fact that it is, because the producers have told us. Just as we know that ENT was Prime, that TOS was prime, etc. Yes, this new show might visually clash with what we saw in the other shows, but who cares? The only thing that truly matters is how the story connects to the prime universe, and how the characters connect. Whether an alien race now looks different, or the ship looks too modern, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Good casting choice for Sarek. Little things like this are good ties to the rest of Trek, and people can complain about "small world syndrome" as much as they want, but I personally love to see these little dots that connect the shows to one another.
That last point is how I wanted to address the discussion here about whether this show truly is "prime universe." We know for a fact that it is, because the producers have told us. Just as we know that ENT was Prime, that TOS was prime, etc. Yes, this new show might visually clash with what we saw in the other shows, but who cares? The only thing that truly matters is how the story connects to the prime universe, and how the characters connect. Whether an alien race now looks different, or the ship looks too modern, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
This seems like good news. He was on True Blood and Agent Carter, and he physically looks right for the role of Sarek. I don't like recasting at all, so I'm glad they cared enough to find an actor who is physically right for the part.
Wiki lists him as a guest, not a regular. I'm guessing that means he'll be our premiere episode link to the Trekverse. That's cool, but I was really hoping for somebody from Enterprise.
Wiki lists him as a guest, not a regular. I'm guessing that means he'll be our premiere episode link to the Trekverse. That's cool, but I was really hoping for somebody from Enterprise.
