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Okay, so now we've moved well beyond things that are "your prerogative" as I said earlier; these are no longer opinions, now you're just... incorrect.

I'm not saying all gays are transgenders, I am saying all transgenders are gay.
No, they're not.
I am sure there a lot, maybe most, gay men who feel strong, tough, manly, and certainly identify as masculine and male, but simply prefer the romantic and sexual company of other males.
But what I am saying is, those people who feel as if they are women trapped in a man's body, they have to be gay.
No, they don't.
Because part of being a woman is seeking romantic and sexual relationships with males.
:rolleyes: No, it isn't.

Sex.

Gender.

Sexual orientation.

Three different things. Related, yes, but different.

Learn how this works, and get back to us. Otherwise, continuing this discussion is pointless.


So if some man said they felt as if they were really a woman, oh but they don't want a relationship with a man... I have no way of possibly relating to that. It's as alien to me as saying that you feel like you're a square, but a square that has no corners. to which I raise my hand and say "wouldn't that make you a circle?" and you say "nope, just a cornerless square in a circle's body." And it would be like that scene from DS9 when Sisko is trying to explain to the wormhole aliens about linear time, and it is so far removed from their comprehension he lacks a strong foundation for an explanation.
Your problem is that you are tying up those three things I mentioned above. Being female =/= wants to have sex with guys. Being male =/= wants to have sex with women. Obviously there are many for whom that IS true, but it's not automatic.
I consider transgender to be an aspect of homosexuality, like I consider a rottweiler to be an aspect of dogs, it's a smaller part of the larger whole, but it isn't separate.
Yes, it is separate. The relationship between "homosexual" and "transgender" is really not analogous to the relationship between "dog" and "rottweiler", as much as you might want it to be.

And therefore, I don't believe in the existence of a transgender person, transsexual yes, but not transgender.
Tough. Reality is what it is.
For a man to feel like a woman, yet not want sex with men, basically means he's just a soft effeminate male, or a sissy as they used to be called. If you claim there is something in between, than I am at a total loss to understand what you mean.
Like wise a woman who feels like a boy, yet does not want a relationship with a girl, isn't transgender either; she's a tom boy. Again, you're a sissy or a tomboy, but your not transgender, and if you feel like your a woman in a man's body and you want sex with men, than you're not transgender either, you're a homosexual, who happens to be very effeminate.
Nice, this is very regressive. You're either a STRONG MANLY MAN or a sissy.

And a tomboy is not the same thing as a transgendered female.

I hear liberal crap
Ah, yes, good 'ol "liberal crap." Why am I not surprised.
like "race is a social construct". No, it isn't, transgenderism is a social construct. And one of the reasons it was constructed was to broaden homosexuality to be more inclusive and overly complicated for the purpose of sewing confusion so that it becomes easier to nit pick and argue against hetero-normality, for the purpose of trying to push homo-normality. that's why when I hear all this terminology, I just string it all together, and stick it on the side of the fence called LGBT, or "gay" for short.
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You know what? Never mind, I don't care if you do learn and come to understand what I said above or not (spoiler: you won't). This discussion is well BEYOND pointless.
 
But what I am saying is, those people who feel as if they are women trapped in a man's body, they have to be gay. Because part of being a woman is seeking romantic and sexual relationships with males.
First, it's awfully nice that you've taken it on yourself to tell the rest of us what being a woman entails given your lifelong experience as a man. Oh wait, nice isn't the right word. Presumputous? Preposterous? Both will do.

If "part of being a woman is seeking romantic and sexual relationships with males," then what is a woman who is sexually attracted to men but wants a sex change? How can she be gay if she's sexually attracted to men? And spare us the glib one liners.
 
I hear liberal crap like "race is a social construct". No, it isn't, transgenderism is a social construct. And one of the reasons it was constructed was to broaden homosexuality to be more inclusive and overly complicated for the purpose of sewing confusion so that it becomes easier to nit pick and argue against hetero-normality, for the purpose of trying to push homo-normality.
"Gays are going to get us?" That's what you've got? :lol:
 
I hear liberal crap like "race is a social construct". No, it isn't, transgenderism is a social construct. And one of the reasons it was constructed was to broaden homosexuality to be more inclusive and overly complicated for the purpose of sewing confusion so that it becomes easier to nit pick and argue against hetero-normality, for the purpose of trying to push homo-normality.
"Gays are going to get us?" That's what you've got? :lol:
Yup, us pesky gays are on a mission to convert everyone to our 'deviant' homosexual ways.

Run for the hills!!!! :lol:
 
I just don't understand what on earth some people are so concerned and obsessed with when it comes to homosexuality and gay people in our modern societies. What's the biggest, overriding fear here? Why the pervasive angst?

That roving gangs of gay men armed with interior decoration kits are going to break into our homes, redecorate and color coordinate everything without our knowledge and permission? That they're going to strap straight men and women to chairs, pry open their eyelids Clockwork Orange-style and force them to watch endless marathons of Samantha-heavy Sex and the City episodes? That heterosexuals will be coerced against their will to eat nothing but a steady diet of health food or creme brulee?

Someone please explain this to me, because none of the arguments against the gay community made in this thread and others on the boards make a lick of logical, common sense. If one or more of you can explain in a reasoned and rational manner why there's something conclusively detrimental about our fellow citizens in the LGBT community I'm all ears. But I'm not going to expect it.
 
I am all in favor of genetically modifying our kids. It's one of the few things I really really support. You see, due to complex circumstances that I won't get into, we are down breeding at an alarming rate. We are breeding, dumber, sicker, children into our welfare system at higher and higher rates every generation. We need some genetic modification or eugenics to clean the scum out of our gene pool.

I don't have the words. Just...wow.

Wow.

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I've heard the argument he's making somewhere. One of those liberal crap courses in college. I think it had something to do with fashion... snazzy, something like that.
 
I am all in favor of genetically modifying our kids. It's one of the few things I really really support. You see, due to complex circumstances that I won't get into, we are down breeding at an alarming rate. We are breeding, dumber, sicker, children into our welfare system at higher and higher rates every generation. We need some genetic modification or eugenics to clean the scum out of our gene pool.
Did you not watch "Space Seed" or "The Wrath of Khan"?

Start tinkering with genetics in order to 'perfect' the human race, and you wind up with superhumans who will try to take over the world from normals, just because you're trying to 'cure' something that isn't a disease.

What would come next? Remove redheads from the gene pool? Adjust women to all walk around with Lara Croft chests?
 
I am all in favor of genetically modifying our kids. It's one of the few things I really really support. You see, due to complex circumstances that I won't get into, we are down breeding at an alarming rate. We are breeding, dumber, sicker, children into our welfare system at higher and higher rates every generation. We need some genetic modification or eugenics to clean the scum out of our gene pool.
Did you not watch "Space Seed" or "The Wrath of Khan"?

Start tinkering with genetics in order to 'perfect' the human race, and you wind up with superhumans who will try to take over the world from normals, just because you're trying to 'cure' something that isn't a disease.

What would come next? Remove redheads from the gene pool? Adjust women to all walk around with Lara Croft chests?
You can't just breed the superior, you need to make sure the inferior don't continue to muck up the gene pool. So yeah, some will have to be prevented from breeding. Lara Croft chests? They'll have to work on the effects of aging and gravity, but I think I could live with it.
 
"Breeding dumber, sicker children into our welfare system" conjures up some very nasty and unpleasant mental images that, sadly, I don't think have anything whatsoever to do with the issue of homosexuality. I wonder if RB realizes just how sketchy that phrase sounds and what it might lead some people here to believe he means.
 
Not if she's like Mrs. Columbo Kate. That was one loyal and kind woman.

And that just means her crime solving skills will be all the more impressive...win-win.
 
If Captain Janeway had an eyepatch the Kazon and Borg Queen would have never messed with her.
 
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