S13E04 "Village of the Angels" BBC1 6.20-7.15pm 21st November

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  1. matthunter

    matthunter Admiral Admiral

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    Not convinced why the former is needed. They're perfectly capable of zapping people elsewhere without doing so.

    Still suspect the Angel!Doc will turn out to become the Rogue. At the least, we have an Angel that can pilot the TARDIS. Unless that's given more of a nod, I think it could be a plot point. Though Yaz has been getting piloting lessons too...
     
  2. Mr Awe

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    I think the Division did capture the Doctor--back when she was Jo Martin. They erased her memories and then, presumably, set her loose because she couldn't remember any of their secrets.

    So, I think the question now is why is the Division so interested in her now (as Jodie) when she can't reveal their secrets. My guess, the resolution to the cliffhanger is that the Division needs her help! The Flux has gotten out of hand and clearly the Doctor has special experience with it, maybe even created it. We'll restore your memories, at least some of them, if you help us.

    I'm not a fan of the idea of TC becoming the Doctor. However, I have a glimmer of hope that TC becomes the Master. Now that would be a great development. The Doctor is a regular Time Lord, but the Master isn't. The Master is the product of a special being who was experimented on and manipulated. That explains the evilness but also the Master's ability to survive apparent death on many occasions. It makes the Doctor's foe extraordinary rather than the Doctor herself. To me, that's a lot more interesting! And, if that's the case, I really don't mind if Bel and Vinder are the parents of TC--although that then becomes a really sad story.

    But we'll see!
     
  3. Mr Awe

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    I've actually been wondering if some of the scenes are of the previous universe to our own--particularly those with Bel and Vinder (outside his experience with our group). That universe is clearly disintegrating at a fundamental level. I'm wondering if they ship their child from the previous universe to ours to save it. There the proto-Time Lords find it and it becomes TC.
     
  4. The Nth Doctor

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    I hope your supposition here is right for the same reasons. It's a great juxtaposition for both of them while retaining The Doctor's ordinariness and adds another layer to The Master's corrupted nature.

    I'm also not keen on Bel and Vinder's baby being either of The Doctor or The Master, but I suppose it's inevitable. I guess just showing how universe is post-Flux through their eyes isn't enough.

    Yeah, I've wondered if that might be the case but even if that's true, there is still some wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff going on.
     
  5. Mr Awe

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    @matthunter Division of the universes? From the previous to our current universe? Maybe Division refers to/oversaw that division?

    While watching the episode, I kept thinking November 21st seemed relevant somehow. Then I realized, because that's the current date not because of a story point!
     
  6. Orac Zen

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    This is a good theory and it wouldn't be a surprise if it turns out to be what happens. However...

    This is probably an even better idea. It would interesting to see if the angels are capable of independence and if so, how it happened.

    Well, it was actually the 22nd here, but the point remains. :D
     
  7. jaime

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    Maybe the Chibnall plan is just to reconcile Terminus with Slipback. Will we see the Garm in the series finale?
     
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    It was...well, at least for me as I turned 59. :whistle:
     
  9. matthunter

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    I like this. Weeping Angels have supposedly existed since the dawn of Time so if the Division use them as agents they might have started early. They might even have set up the Time Lords... perhaps the Timeless Child came from the previous universe?
     
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  10. ThreeEdgedSword

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    If they manage to tie everything up in a satisfying manner with or without the specials (but really, it should be *without* when you advertised the series as "one big film" or sth like that), I'll be extremely surprised.

    Even though I enjoyed this episode very much, the overarching story just seems unnecessarily convoluted.
     
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  11. Commander Troi

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    WOW that was good! The Angels scared me last week and this was even worse (better).

    Good points, but I'm starting to think The Division is neither Time Lords, proto-Time Lords, nor Gallifreyan. The Rogue Angel said they take/use all species and from all times. Maybe they're run by Someone Else. Maybe Communism is just a Red Herring. :lol:

    I think it has something to do with the Old Lady from last episode who told The Doctor that The Flux wasn't natural.

    I think it's that one. Previous to 1901 was... was that a crashed Angel ship?

    I'm happy with myself that I guessed the older woman trying to warn people in 1967 was Peggy, having lived there since 1901, when we first saw 10-year-old her there. :)

    Happy Birthday!
     
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  12. DigificWriter

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    The first two 'specials' were written and filmed to be part of Series 13, so I'd be very surprised if the story of the Flux gets resolved in just 6 episodes.
     
  13. Timelord Victorious

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    What‘s wrong with good old carbonite?
     
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  14. Australis

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    This week, the Angels were relentless, which was great. The acting was at a minimum solid. But there is still way too much, "I'll tell you later." And I have concerns about where the end of the series will leave the Doctor.
     
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  16. CorporalCaptain

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    I don't fault Doctor Who for its wonky elements, so long as they're fun, and there are wonky elements aplenty. (What's sci-fi/fantasy without fun? It's not fun.) The idea that whatever can hold the image of an Angel can become an Angel is certainly wonky.

    Ever since that idea was introduced (when was it, "The Time of Angels"?), I was immediately of the opinion, even before Amy had something in her eye and began to have trouble moving, that anybody who has ever seen a Weeping Angel could be in serious trouble. If magnetic tape holding a video recording of an Angel or a piece of paper holding a sketch of one is a problem, then surely a brain with memories of what they look like is at least equally a problem. (I expect that this idea has gotten plenty of discussion.)

    And if that's so, that would go for the Doctor herself, and it always would have. Whether this has anything to do with what happened to the Doctor or not, I've always considered the Doctor vulnerable to being turned into a Weeping Angel.
     
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  17. Timelord Victorious

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    What set Amy apart from everyone else that she started turning into an Angel?
    Did it have something to do with the recording she kept watching?
     
  18. CorporalCaptain

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    If I understood it right, it happened because she had been watching the video. She noticed that the angel had moved in the video, and she started paying closer attention. I think that attention she was paying opened her mind and made her vulnerable. Or something like that.
     
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  19. David cgc

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    It was because when Amy was staring at the video-Angel, she made eye contact with it. “The eyes are the windows to the soul, but they are also the doors.” So it’s not normally a problem, because the Angels are usually covering their faces until they attack, unless they’re alone, to ensure they don’t see each other and end up frozen like the first group did at the end of “Blink.”
     
  20. CorporalCaptain

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    Thanks.
     
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