S1 was awesome, S2 is a yawn fest

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by darthjerro, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. Dukhat

    Dukhat Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Sorry, I didn't realize that your experiences invalidate mine.
     
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  2. BillJ

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    You will never get that from CBS. Star Trek is a cash-cow and they aren't going to do anything to upset that. So it'll be nice and safe TV for the masses.
     
  3. Jackson_Roykirk

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    I'm a bit surprised how much that word is thrown around even on basic cable these days. The Magicians (on SyFy channel) uses "fuck" at least 5 or 6 times (or more) every episode. Mr. Robot on USA also uses it relatively regularly.

    We've come a long way from the old day when when the f-word on TV was only ever heard on HBO and other premium premium channels.
     
  4. Disco!Disco!

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    I certainly wouldn't call tonight's ep a yawn-fest.
     
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  5. Alan Roi

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    I never said they did. But the word autistic does have a medical definition that exists independent of either of our experiences.
     
  6. Cyrus

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    Friendly warning to anti-profanity dudes: There was profanity in tonight's episode
    Pike said shitstorm
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  7. Alan Roi

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    Let the pearlclutching storm commence!
     
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  8. Dukhat

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    Since you don't know my experiences, I'm not sure why you're making an assumption that I don't know what I'm talking about.

    Did he say it naturally or was it forced?
     
  9. Alan Roi

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    maybe compare how you described autism and what the actual definition of the term describes it.
     
  10. Dukhat

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    Or, just maybe, I know more about it than you think, and you're just fixating on one line about it that I wrote.
     
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  11. lawman

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    Tomato, tomahto. What you see as "risks taken" in S1, I see as "pulling dumb plot contrivances out of their ass," and what you see as "pandering to the fans" in S2, I see as "remembering the deep heritage of Trek material and themes available to build on."

    As for serialization, while many of my favorite shows are serialized, that's not true of all of them, and they don't all approach story arcs in the same way. Saying a show must be serialized to be decent is ridiculous; creativity shouldn't be slave to any particular format.

    I love Game of Thrones. Interestingly, though, the aspects of it you call out (the action, blood, gore, horror) are usually my least favorite aspects of the show. What I really love about it is the slow-build plot development; the complex, psychologically rich characterization; the intricate political maneuvering. Sadly, most of these aspects have diminished considerably and been supplanted by more of the aspects you hail since the showrunners moved past GRRM's published material and started exerting more control over the tone of the show.

    So, honestly, I'd love to see a Trek show done with the sophistication of Game of Thrones. (Or even the sophistication of Babylon 5.) I just think doing that right would involve raising the IQ level of the writing, not displaying more viscera on screen.
     
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  12. SolarisOne

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    :rommie:

    If it's half as good as Torchwood, we'll have quite a show on our hands. Of course, in my mind, none of the post-Enterprise stuff, DISCO-verse or otherwise, rises to the same level as Doctor Who in terms of enjoyment.

    But that's just me.
     
  13. thribs

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    I do agree that without Issacs it's missing something. Should have made him the lead.
     
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  14. SolarisOne

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    Better yet, just have Samuel L. Jackson himself be the captain. Wouldn't be his first science fiction gig.

    She must have stolen River's vortex manipulator or something.

    BINGO. That particular line had the feel of some random ten-year-old giggling because they realized their parents weren't around, so they could say bad words all they wanted. Okay idea, I guess. Far less than ideal execution.

    :guffaw:(I'm literally laughing out loud right now. At 0300. Sitting in bed. Thanks for that.)

    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that--from the tone of this discussion--both of you are neurotypical (a.k.a. not autistic.) That's a guess from someone who actually is autistic, mind you.

    What they should have done with him is make a New Frontier series, with him as Calhoun. :techman:
     
  15. thribs

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    Ha! That’s exactly what I was thinking. Someone pitch it to him. :)
     
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  16. Crazyewok

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    If Starfleet not a military then Picard has a full set of hair...
     
  17. Crazyewok

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    Space is big, very big.

    There is room for all.

    You can have two series.

    One a light fluffy safespace eg TNG 2.0

    AND

    A more dark gritty series.

    You can just choose to watch what one you want.
     
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  18. USS Firefly

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    Of make him counselor:)
     
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  19. Dinosaur Enabler

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    Season 2 is a vast improvement over Season 1 for me. Between a boring pilot, the ridiculous Mirror Universe plot and an absolutely batshit finale, I don't think time will be kind to S1.

    Season 2 has its issues but is still a marked improvement. I wonder if there will be a rotating captain's chair for the rest of the series. That would actually be kind of cool.
     
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    I remember reading (on the internet, so it had to be true) it was a body double and not Jolene...