Re-inserting the Jabba scene in general is rather pointless, it's just the Greedo scene regurgitated.
Rogue One questions
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^^IIRC, the tie-in novel Catalyst says something about the Erso's living in Coruscant's "quiet neighborhood."
The Monument Plaza scene on Coruscant in Return of the Jedi has only three or four vehicles flying around, two of which were part of the celebration and the toppling of the statue.
Thought for the day:
Mon Mothma says that they're going to extract Galen Erso and "return him to the Senate for testimony". Does she seriously believe the Emperor would allow that?
If Mothma actually thinks Palpatine would ever allow Galen to testify before the senate, she must not know him very well at all. Seems obvious Palps would find some way to have Galen whacked before he gets anywhere near the senate chamber...I'm just going to hazard a guess that Galen's rebellious tendencies were well known for quite some time, otherwise why would the Empire bother to send Krennic after him in the first place?
There's not a chance in hell Galen would have ever been able to testify. If the Emperor couldn't have him assassinated, Krennic (or even Tarkin) would have. The Empire was just too powerful...I'm guessing Mon Mothma was just being naive when she hoped Galen's testimony could ever be heard.
Mon Mothma says that they're going to extract Galen Erso and "return him to the Senate for testimony". Does she seriously believe the Emperor would allow that?
If Mothma actually thinks Palpatine would ever allow Galen to testify before the senate, she must not know him very well at all. Seems obvious Palps would find some way to have Galen whacked before he gets anywhere near the senate chamber...I'm just going to hazard a guess that Galen's rebellious tendencies were well known for quite some time, otherwise why would the Empire bother to send Krennic after him in the first place?
There's not a chance in hell Galen would have ever been able to testify. If the Emperor couldn't have him assassinated, Krennic (or even Tarkin) would have. The Empire was just too powerful...I'm guessing Mon Mothma was just being naive when she hoped Galen's testimony could ever be heard.
Not naive but wanting to do things legally if possible.Thought for the day:
Mon Mothma says that they're going to extract Galen Erso and "return him to the Senate for testimony". Does she seriously believe the Emperor would allow that?
If Mothma actually thinks Palpatine would ever allow Galen to testify before the senate, she must not know him very well at all. Seems obvious Palps would find some way to have Galen whacked before he gets anywhere near the senate chamber...I'm just going to hazard a guess that Galen's rebellious tendencies were well known for quite some time, otherwise why would the Empire bother to send Krennic after him in the first place?
There's not a chance in hell Galen would have ever been able to testify. If the Emperor couldn't have him assassinated, Krennic (or even Tarkin) would have. The Empire was just too powerful...I'm guessing Mon Mothma was just being naive when she hoped Galen's testimony could ever be heard.
Remember, other Rebel factions wanted him killed as well, so if they go with Mothmas plan either he testifies or the Empire has to kill their best weapons designer, it's a Win-Win. Conversely, if the rebels try to kill him and miss, then the Empire just moved him to a more secure facility, where he keeps designing weapons. So I think Mothma had the better plan, even if things did work out in the end anyway.
Thought for the day:
Mon Mothma says that they're going to extract Galen Erso and "return him to the Senate for testimony". Does she seriously believe the Emperor would allow that?
If Mothma actually thinks Palpatine would ever allow Galen to testify before the senate, she must not know him very well at all. Seems obvious Palps would find some way to have Galen whacked before he gets anywhere near the senate chamber...I'm just going to hazard a guess that Galen's rebellious tendencies were well known for quite some time, otherwise why would the Empire bother to send Krennic after him in the first place?
There's not a chance in hell Galen would have ever been able to testify. If the Emperor couldn't have him assassinated, Krennic (or even Tarkin) would have. The Empire was just too powerful...I'm guessing Mon Mothma was just being naive when she hoped Galen's testimony could ever be heard.
In A New Hope, it was announced that the Senate was involved. Assuming it was still relatively functioning ìn between RotS and ANH, mon Mothma was hoping for one last ditch effort within the system to destroy it.
However, Palpatine got wind of it, called an emergency session of the Senate to vote to dissolve it.
Once that happened, it might have given Tarkin full freedom to destroy Alderaan.
Also, the speed of the emergency meeting might have been what kept Bail Organa from leaving in time (as well as some other shenanigans with Empire loyalists)
Thought for the day:
Mon Mothma says that they're going to extract Galen Erso and "return him to the Senate for testimony". Does she seriously believe the Emperor would allow that?
If Mothma actually thinks Palpatine would ever allow Galen to testify before the senate, she must not know him very well at all. Seems obvious Palps would find some way to have Galen whacked before he gets anywhere near the senate chamber...I'm just going to hazard a guess that Galen's rebellious tendencies were well known for quite some time, otherwise why would the Empire bother to send Krennic after him in the first place?
There's not a chance in hell Galen would have ever been able to testify. If the Emperor couldn't have him assassinated, Krennic (or even Tarkin) would have. The Empire was just too powerful...I'm guessing Mon Mothma was just being naive when she hoped Galen's testimony could ever be heard.
It agrees with the view of the Senate from ANH as voiced by Leia, and seemingly confirmed by the imperials when they judged the Senate to no longer be a problem, and also explicitly stated in Rebels: prior to the Death Star the Empire needed the Senate as a lip service to democracy to maintain itself as a galaxy-wide empire. Dissolving it (or possibly outright ignoring it) would have severed the representation of the worlds in it, and thus the participation of their individual leadership, and it could have brought the Empire a step closer to the First Order: a large military / terrorist force occupying all the systems. This would have made it easier for the Rebellion to go forward and see legitimacy.
Of course, just military might alone was enough to maintain control of many worlds, probably the sheer majority of them. They did install their own puppet governments, they did violently suppressed dissent on any world, they
committed genocide against the entire population of even worlds that have worked for them, and disposed of Kamino in a yet-undisclosed fashion.
But the Senate was still a firewall.
Mon Mothma's idea would not have worked for all the reasons you have stated, but she did recognize they had a vulnerability and believed it was her only chance to pursue the romantic idea of ending the Empire legally and from within, because of nostalgia she felt for the days of the Republic.
I would have too.
I don't think it was nostalgia. I think she wanted to do it legally because she didn't not want to appear as a Separatist. The Alliance was to Restore the Republic, not just overthrow the Empire.
Palpatine and Krennic would probably have just blamed the entire Death Star project on Galen. They'd spin it as Galen's idea, not theirs. So the Senate would probably write Galen off as a lunatic.
Probably, which is part of what makes Palpatine so infuriating. He's as bad as the Baron Harkonnen in Dune. Constantly plotting, anticipating all eventualities to the point that fighting him feels like a waste of time, energy and resources.
Mothama needs to hold on to that idealism and her less militaristic stance post Endor makes sense because she has been fighting for so long.
Yeah, but I basically think that if I had been in her place that would have been one and the same thing, in a mix of emotions and reasons. The Empire being a direct successor of the Republic, and growing from within it, means there's a way it could be restored, means you have a respect for its legal ways, means you still have allegiance to its former self. Some nostalgia would inevitably be a product of that, and also in turn feed a stronger desire and hope that you could approach this through its institutions, not only rebellions. Had the Republic been invaded from outside, respect for its laws by Mothma would have been lower if present at all (but then, she wouldn't have been a senator, so that's kind of moot).
Point is, a former Senator of the Republic and current Senator of the Empire has every reason to want to accomplish something within the system, and it's not a “pick one” situation.
Agreed.
I always assumed that the battle at Scarif was the excuse Palpatine needed to dissolve the senate and declare martial law.
Well open rebellion was present with a fleet that defeated two star destroyers in battle. The Death Star was potentially out of the bag, but it was operational anyway. One senator was captured in the immediate aftermath of that battle and held by Grand Moff Tarkin (Princess Leia Organa), having been caught aided the rebellion directly. Other senators would be suspected (if not already out rightly known) to be in support of the "traitor" Mon Mothma's declared Alliance to Restore the Republic movement. Thus the Tarkin Doctrine goes into full effect.
And than the Death Star (and Tarkin) get blown up. With the Imperial Navy not able to allow the Empire to completely rule by fear...open rebellion spreads.
And than the Death Star (and Tarkin) get blown up. With the Imperial Navy not able to allow the Empire to completely rule by fear...open rebellion spreads.
As explicitly stated in SW, Palpatine only dared dissolve the Senate once the DS was up and running. Even the Imperial muckey-mucks in the briefing room knew the Senate had an important function.
But once the Emperor had the DS to back him up, he was able to go full dictatorship with governors running the day-to-day. Prior to that, even Palp didn't have bulletproof political clout to do so.
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