Reworking DS9

[where'sSaavik?]

Kegek Kringle said:
where'sSaavik? Didn't you disappear or something?

Or something.

Old Admins never really go away . . . we're always lurking somewhere.

 

[RobertScorpio]

DigificWriter said:
As much as I love the character of Kira Nerys, I think it was a disservice to the character that she was only created because they couldn't get Michelle Forbes to agree to a full-time contract. While I usually dislike recasting, in this case I think it would've been the best option because it would've allowed them to not only bring in Ro Laren as originally planned, but also bring in the character of Kira Nerys, but without the disservice of said character being a 'Ro Laren stand-in'.

Okay, your logic is escaping me here. Yes, Kira was created as a replacement for Ro. Why is that a disservice to the character? She didn't even exist until that point, and never would have existed had Forbes not turned the opportunity down. All things considered, she turned out well from humble beginnings.

Ro and Kira are too similar in character dynamic. An either-or makes sense. Having Ro cameo on DS9 might have been fun, even become a recurring character, but I'm happy with just one as a regular. Either one.

I have read all of your posts in this thread, and I agree...well done..

Rob
Scorpio

 

[ClericWill]

Star Trek Deep Space Nine is hands-down my favorite Trek series, but some of the 'what if' threads that have popped up recently have got me thinking: what could have/should have been reworked to make the series better than it already was? Here's what I'd do:

- Ro Laren should've been involved in some capacity, even if they had to recast the role. If I was going to rework the series, I'd recast the role, and then bring in the character of Kira Nerys in a different capacity.
- The story arcs of the early seasons should've been brought to conclusion, and more should've been made of the Maquis. Tom Riker should've been featured more than once, and a few Voyager characters should've been introduced (I would've introduced Chakotay, Tom Paris, and B'Elanna at the very least).
- Worf should not have been the only 'TNG Klingon' brought into the series on a recurring basis. A 'lesser known' Klingon character like Klag would've been a great addition, IMO, to the cast, and would've highlighted the growing tensions between Starfleet and the Klingon Empire caused by the events of the Dominion War.

Thoughts?

• I used to agree with you, Ro Laren was a favourite character of mine from the latter age of TNG. However I think it would have felt forced to see her on DS9 in Kira's role. How would she have gotten from Starfleet Ensign to Maquis Soilder to Commander of a Bajoran space station? Plus Kira to me represents the the best of Ro Laren and Nereys(sp?).
• I agree on some of the Bajoran story arcs, however, introducing Voyager characters doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It's a big universe and again to me it would have felt forced to have Voyager characters directly related to DS9 characters outside of the "space dock" encounters between Paris/Kim and Quark.
• As for Klingons outside of Worf, perhaps, but I am not sure I agree with you there. Klag (if that's the same Klingon I am thinking of from the quest to find Kahless's batleth episode) is like the Denny Crane of Star Trek Klingons. Isn't he the guy who attacked a Cardassian outpost thinking it was some 23rd centruy Federation outpost. Denny Crane...

 

[jgdst]

Star Trek Deep Space Nine is hands-down my favorite Trek series, but some of the 'what if' threads that have popped up recently have got me thinking: what could have/should have been reworked to make the series better than it already was? Here's what I'd do:

- Ro Laren should've been involved in some capacity, even if they had to recast the role. If I was going to rework the series, I'd recast the role, and then bring in the character of Kira Nerys in a different capacity.
- The story arcs of the early seasons should've been brought to conclusion, and more should've been made of the Maquis. Tom Riker should've been featured more than once, and a few Voyager characters should've been introduced (I would've introduced Chakotay, Tom Paris, and B'Elanna at the very least).
- Worf should not have been the only 'TNG Klingon' brought into the series on a recurring basis. A 'lesser known' Klingon character like Klag would've been a great addition, IMO, to the cast, and would've highlighted the growing tensions between Starfleet and the Klingon Empire caused by the events of the Dominion War.

Thoughts?

• I used to agree with you, Ro Laren was a favourite character of mine from the latter age of TNG. However I think it would have felt forced to see her on DS9 in Kira's role. How would she have gotten from Starfleet Ensign to Maquis Soilder to Commander of a Bajoran space station? Plus Kira to me represents the the best of Ro Laren and Nereys(sp?).
• I agree on some of the Bajoran story arcs, however, introducing Voyager characters doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It's a big universe and again to me it would have felt forced to have Voyager characters directly related to DS9 characters outside of the "space dock" encounters between Paris/Kim and Quark.
• As for Klingons outside of Worf, perhaps, but I am not sure I agree with you there. Klag (if that's the same Klingon I am thinking of from the quest to find Kahless's batleth episode) is like the Denny Crane of Star Trek Klingons. Isn't he the guy who attacked a Cardassian outpost thinking it was some 23rd centruy Federation outpost. Denny Crane...

^ I agree with that. To be honest, there wasn't a lot wrong with DS9 or its implementation. The fact it dared to be different to TNG and VOY regarding darker storylines and long running arcs are what make it so good. You get a better feel that there was a "local neighbourhood" of planets and aliens, rather than TNG's set up of being anywhere in the quadrant for a particular episode.

I do think they spent a little too much time on Ezri in season 7 - Prodigal Daughter really hurt some of the pace of the season and could easily have been left out. But I do like the final chapter, including the religious side of it. I kinda enjoyed the ambiguous opinion you got from Starfleet, whether or not they were atheistic, or if they 'just tolerated' other races' religious ideals while trying to find some science behind it.

I'm part of the majority who think the show should've continued in some way - season eight, a miniseries a couple of years down the line, TV/straight-to-video movie. It would've been interesting to see the cleanup effort, and see just how dire the Federation's circumstances were, not to mention the Klingons and Cardassians.

There was a missed opportunity there to include a bit more on Federation politics, such as finally welcoming Bajor into the Federation, or civilian reaction following the war. But then, that's why we have relaunches.

So, long story short - not much I would've changed really, just would've kept it alive just a little longer

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I would also have liked to see Sisko run into some more blatant opposition from Starfleet over his Emissary role, especially as he began to really embrace it. We saw hints of it at times, but I think that especially if attitudes like Picard's were more typical of the humans of the Federation, some more opposition would have been expected.

As for Mad-Eye Dukat...I may be one of the only ones who wasn't that bothered by it. Now, had any other actor been handed that plotline, I expect I would've been right in line with everybody else to demand the entire thing be jettisoned. But Alaimo pulled it off in such a way that I found I could suspend disbelief and appreciate it for what it was. I mean, "Covenant" freaked the hell out of me, and mainly thanks to Alaimo's delivery. (Especially the way he unveiled the suicide plan. That expression on his face when he looks at Kira and bids her farewell...BRRRRR.) I would say the main problem I had with the way that plotline was handled was the pacing of it during "What You Leave Behind": events dragged that seemed like they should have taken a MUCH shorter amount of time to transpire.

 

[HRHTheKING]

I would only change one thing.

Ezri Dax.


Totally unnecessary character.

 

[Marie1]

I like having Kira- and what happened to Ro opened up a lot of stuff for the novel relaunch which is better- more space to tell her story. Kira made sense because she lived during the occupation, rose in ranks, experienced a lot after... I thought she worked, both in her personality, and how she learned to accept other people, even Cardassians.

-I personally, would have had more D-War episodes during season 6 and 7- I know it was a fight to have as many as the did- but I would have liked more.
Even tho in a non-fic trek book they said that the Hunters were affiliated with the Dominion- and I can see that, it just seems even more barbaric to have that association with the Hunters and the Tosk then the Dominion is already. That could go either way...
-I would not have had the mirror universe episodes... or the time travel ones. Especially if everything "didn't happen" by the end of it. The MU was just such a silly place... mind you it gives future fodder, but still... such annoying people!!
-I wouldn't have had the Winn/Dukat/Pah Wraith thing... or it would have went down differently- it was over so fast given the build up. Then again- if Dukat is "with the PW forever- sucks to be him! Muhuhahahaha!!
-I wouldn't have killed Damar, or Ziyal.
-Jake should have been wiser
-I like the idea of having a male Trill after Jadzia... or keeping her, if the casting wasn't at issue.
-Odo would have been utilized more, and wouldn't have succumbed to being punched etc. That was ridiculous.
... and I may have mined the WH on both sides... lets seem them set an antigraviton beam on it then!!

 

[scorpius1701]

The whole Dukat thing defintely needed to go. He was far more interesting as somebody who might help you out as long as it suited him and might stab you in the back. It was boring when you knew he was just going to go all red eyed and shoot fire at you.

The other thing is to not bring in Worf. Think about it. WHat did he really bring to it? DS9 was a show about shades of grey. Instead of bringing in a familiar character who we KNOW is going to be an ally, bring in a Romulan instead. We already had the set up with T'Rul. It would make sense since it is a Romulan cloak aboard the Defiant. It would also bring the Romulans into the conflict more. But to have a character in the mix that the rest of the crew would not automatically trust would have been far more interesting than to have Worf in there.

 

[Marie1]

The whole Dukat thing defintely needed to go. He was far more interesting as somebody who might help you out as long as it suited him and might stab you in the back. It was boring when you knew he was just going to go all red eyed and shoot fire at you.

I *love* the way you phrased that!!

 

[Mirror_Barclay]

More Bajorans on the main cast. Make the political and religious differences on Bajor personal, by showing conflict within the DS9 crew. Given that most of the station crew was Bajoran, why was there only one senior officer?

Replace Jadzia with Ezri a lot earlier. I prefer Ezri, and Ezri's story was more about being a Trill, while Jadzia's was about how she used to be a Klingon... Trills were new, Klingons were done to death with Worf on TNG. (And I wouldn't have added Worf, either.)

No Pah Wraith crap!

More Mirror Universe eps.