Retro Review: Non Sequitur

[Guy Gardener]

Lets say that hypothetically, people with with a high RP (relationship potential) are a commodity obeying the laws of supply and demand, and also that I am lying when I say "hypothetically".

I think that there must be something very wrong with Libby that we do not know about, which is why there is a weak demand for her realtionshipability.

Wesley made out with Ashley Judd.

(I just ran across Ashley as a teenager in reruns of Sisters, drinking, smoking, and ####ing French men in her parents shower. A salt vampire would have used up Wesley slower.)

Will Wheaton is fucking amazing, but Wesley had less game than Charlie Brown.

It's a weird universe of perfect std management, and %100 effective birth control, and quadruple the life the 20th centuries average expected life span, so of course there are no consequences to having a charity fling with a total nerd every now and then. God bless the universe.

(Yes I've seen DS9, but Sisko's Birth control didn't cock up, he just forgot to take it.)

 

[Jedman67]

She could be, ya know, a bit shy too. All we ever see her is saying "i love you harry" while wearing very little (and nude in Birthright P1). So sure, she's at least a 95% on the attractiveness rating, but could be a 20% on social integration, or a 75% introvert or something. Clearly, she sees something in him, so that's gotta count for something - maybe being on voyager has actually stifled his personality; but the "real" Harry Kim actually does have more charm than a brick.

 

[Lance]

The problem with this one is it's got plot holes up the wazoo. I just can't buy Harry's lackluster reaction to being ''home'' again, let alone anything else the episode throws up at us.

IIRC doesn't it try to claim Tom Paris stayed behind because without Harry Kim around he got himself caught up in a fight on DS9 and was expelled back to Earth, or something? I don't know if that rings true with what we even saw in ''Caretaker''. And wouldn't he just be shipped back to prison where Janeway got him, instead of set free to haunt the pool halls of continental Europe. None of that makes any sense to me.

 

[Guy Gardener]

A more insightful viewer sees this as a Tom Paris Episode.

Harry is Jiminy Cricket bending the universe into a pretzel to take Tom's life out of the toilet he put it in.

Tom Paris on Voyager is a Super hero of the Federation.

Tom Paris on Earth is an idle prostitute using poolshark drunk.

Sadrine's is a whore house right?

But how do you have hookers if there is no money?

How odd?

...

Yesterday I considered that Tom's shite life on Earth was a "#### you dad!" and that the problem with being lost 70 thousand light years away from where Dad is being a pompous asshole, is that daddy can't hear even your loudest "go #### yourself!" so Tom just got out of his own way, and stopped forcing himself not to naturally excel.

 

[Jedman67]

The problem with this one is it's got plot holes up the wazoo. I just can't buy Harry's lackluster reaction to being ''home'' again, let alone anything else the episode throws up at us.

IIRC doesn't it try to claim Tom Paris stayed behind because without Harry Kim around he got himself caught up in a fight on DS9 and was expelled back to Earth, or something? I don't know if that rings true with what we even saw in ''Caretaker''. And wouldn't he just be shipped back to prison where Janeway got him, instead of set free to haunt the pool halls of continental Europe. None of that makes any sense to me.

In Caretaker, Quark is trying to fleece Harry and Tom brushes him off. In the NS timeline, Quark tries to fleece Tom and he gets physical, resulting in his arrest by Odo and his parole being revoked and being released a few months later for Time Served (alternatively, since Voyager leaves without him he's cut loose from Starfleet and goes on his own).

The whole idea of Harry being anything other than excited to be home, and in bed with a beautiful woman he's apparently engaged to, is not believable in any sense. The technobabble really kills the show this episode.

 

[section31agent]

Well for one he's a decent looking guy with a good job. Most guys in that category don't have trouble attracting girls. He's also shown to be a loyal, stand up guy to his friends and crewmates. Of all the complaints about this episode, the fact that his girlfriend loves him is probably the last issue that comes to my mind.

Everyone in the future has a good job (even the people who have shit jobs).

Libby could literally walk down the street and find fifty men who are better looking, have better jobs, and are loyal, stand up guys but... they would also have something called charisma.

Everything about the (90's) Trek future looks insipid and banal. Sterilised and clean. Structured and normalised. But when they started applying this to the people too, that's when i shuddered. I bet Kirk had VD at least once.

I don't know why you keep hating on the the dude lol. He's a fit, clean cut, young guy. Say what you want about his charisma but its pretty hard to argue that he's an ugly looking guy. Garret Wang made People magazine's 50 best looking people list. So I duno about Libby finding another 50 guys better looking than him just randomly walking down the street. You may think he's ugly as fuck lol but I don't think the majority of women will agree with you.

And to be honest, I don't think Libby is THAT hot. She's not bad looking but she ain't like seven of nine hot. Libby is a pretty decent looking girl, Harry is a decent looking guy with a good job. I think they're a decent match

And as for charisma, meh not every girl wants the life of the party.

And not everybody has a great job either. Obviously Tom Paris doesn't. U got people like Rom that clean replicators. You got civilian freighter crews pushing shipments of stembolts back and forth. You got low ranking Starfleet security officers that die on away missions and nobody cares lol

Harry Kim gets to stay safe on Earth and design a new class of runabout that will be used by the entire fleet. He's a young ensign fresh out of the academy and he has meetings with the Admirals at Starfleet Command already.

maybe you're just a little jealous of the guy? lol. Like I said, to me Libby looks decent but I don't think she's smoking hot or anything. But if you think she's "stunningly beautiful" then anybody you see with her you're naturally gonna be like wtf? why that aint me? lol

When Chakotay ended up with Seven I was like WTF LOL

 

[stardream]

His looks might be irrelevant. It could be the idea that someone who looks like Libby should have a boyfriend who is stronger with a more forceful personality. She deserves better despite the fact Libby seems happy with him.

I can understand that point of view. How many times have I seen intelligent attractive men with vapid insipid women who happened to be pretty? I think they deserve better but if it works for them who am I to say it's wrong?

If twenty years ago and in an alt universe if I were to see Garrett and the actress walking down the street together as a couple it wouldn't cross my mind to think he was out of her league. I might think 'What an attractive couple' but that would be it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Garret is very attractive with a human personality that can command the interest of a stadium of nerds at comicom.

Kim is a gimp gerbil.

They are not the same person.

(Garret used to date Margaret Cho FFS!)

Humans from 24th century Earth: Everyone is Richie, and no one is Fonzie.

Only a tiny fraction of human beings live on Earth.

Dynamic and interesting persons leave Earth for adventure, or have never been to Earth. The United Earth Empire of Earther Colonies is vast.

As an example, moshpit exciting persons leave Earth to dance in alien Mosh Pits, or were born in most pits. Whatever you find sexy in a human is out there in space, and not hard to find, unless you get hot from accountants talking about spreadsheets, because that level of drone is %98 percent of the people allowed to domicile on Earth, so you can get as much of that as you want on Earth.

Earth is the administration nexus of (almost certainly) the United Earth Empire as well as the United Federation of Planets (Which the United Earth Empire is a member of) as well as the United Earth (the planet) itself, assuming that the current city-states which used to be countries don't have as equal political clout as all of Mars or all of Alpha Centauri... Although a novel said that Mars had a seat on the Federation Council.

Earth is for clerks and politicians mostly.

Super fucking boring people.

Planet West Wing.

"Sisko's" is obviously a tiny historically preserved theme park.

I suppose that Starfleet Command and the Academy are on Earth, but they're all the astronauts who don't want to go into space, or the entry level astronauts too green to be a bragable ####story.

To visit Earth, you would need a good reason and a massive level of security clearance, which most civilians would not have. Earth is not the literal cradle of humanity any more because Terran real estate is at a super premium and the entire place is basically a factory for Government.

There could have been a green card situation going on?

Libby had to be the child of someone useful, someone useful in her own right, or the spouse partner of someone useful, or she'd be asked to leave Earth immediately to make room for someone useful.

Would you #### Kim to side step deportation from some place you considered home?

 

[at Quark's]

2 things that would have made this episode a 10.

1. Seeing Tom beat the shit out of Quark.

LOL !

2. Just as Harry is about to destroy the Timestream he is in, and it's too late to stop the switchback, Libby says "but Harry, I'm pregnant, and you're the father!"

Wouldn't work for me, the timeline is reset anyway. Worf didn't seem to care for his lost children from parallel universes either. However.... if Harry found out at the last instant that Libby had been pregnant (only not yet told him) at the time VOY disappeared so that he'd never know for sure if she has his child in his own timeline ...

 

[stardream]

. Worf didn't seem to care for his lost children from parallel universes either. .

There are apparently a lot of kids wandering around in alt-timeline limbo.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Worf didn't give a poo about the child he had in the actual reality.