Regeneration

[Tom]

Well the general reasoning is the timeline was slightly altered when the Ent-E when back in time in First Contact. So maybe Data did see Archers report in Q-who in this timeline, eitherway it would not have changed anything event after Q-who if they knew of Archer's experiance with them or not.

Still I think there was sometype of cover up (Section 31 perhaps?) because we also have Voyager screwing things up with 'The Raven' (as mentioned above) showing us that other people new about the Borg years before Q-who. Even in TNG the Borg may have been around before Q-who with the planets in the Neutral Zone getting trashed.

Of course know we are in the Abrams timeline so if the Borg come back the only 'valid' history will be from Enterprise . I'm sure some people would live to see how Kirk and Spock deal with the Borg.

 

[Tiberius]

A very enjoyable episode. Lots and lots of fun. The continuity's broken, no matter how much you try to think your way around it (predestination paradox? Yeah, right) but that doesn't matter.

I don't think the continuity is broken. What makes you say it is?

Remember the bit in "Q Who", where Data brought up Archer's old log of cybernetic beings identical to the ones they were confronted with now? No?

Me neither. And remember, in the TNG era people play through Archer's old missions on the holodeck ("These Are the Voyages")

Is this the best you can do?

What makes you think that Data has access to two cenury old records that were classified as top secret?

And that's VERY different to them playing a fictionalised retelling of some old mission.

 

[CaptainMatt]

Was Enterprise's final mission fictionalised, then?

 

[JB2005]

I just didn't understand why the Borg didn't give the complete hail...we know they didn't care about polluting the timeline, and as it has been pointed out before "We are the Borg" Is not their catchphrase, it's their way of letting me know how fucked you are...

 

[CaptainMatt]

Good point! The writers were circumventing without a net when they wrote out the dialogue to that one.

 

[Sandoval]

I can almost get on board with classifying the Enterprise-era Borg encounter from the general public as far as the whole 'protecting the fledgeling space program' goes, but classifying it within Starfleet itself?

But classifying it so that further down the line Starfleet officers don't have access to the information? Let's face it, Data wasn't shy about accessing the information in the Enterprise's computers - "In 2234 a Starfleet ship encountered just such an anomaly blah blah blah" - so if the information was available he would be on it like Neelix on a jailbait Ocampa.

So in the 2250s Starfleet encounters these horrific cybernetic creatures that assimilate people and turn them into their own, and decide to classify this so that when another Starfleet ship encounters them, they have no foreknowledge or information on how they were dealt with the first time round?

Again, what useful purpose would this serve from Starfleet's perspective?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Maybe the file was corrupted and lost during the Romulan war?

 

[Sandoval]

Maybe the file was corrupted and lost during the Romulan war?

The one file?

Yeah right, that's how the vast supercomputers of an interstellar organisation in a hundred and fifty years will work.

They'll write out the Borg encounter in a single .txt file using Microsoft Notepad and that will become corrupted and lost.

 

[JB2005]

How do we know it was just that one? The Novels suggest that TATV takes place in 2155, the Ferengi were on Enterprise...

In The Naked Time, Data had to do a lot of research to find out about Psi 2000! It's not inconceivable that it got lost in the archives...imagine how much information was downloaded into Earth's net after the formation of the Federation...it could be buried...

 

[Sandoval]

In The Naked Time, Data had to do a lot of research to find out about Psi 2000! It's not inconceivable that it got lost in the archives...imagine how much information was downloaded into Earth's net after the formation of the Federation...it could be buried...

But we're not exactly talking about how many sugars some lieutenant commander liked in his tea two centuries ago here though are we?

We're talking about a crashed alien spacecraft being found on Earth whose occupants come back to life, steal a ship that they eventually assimilate and tear off into space, where they're chased down by the supposedly revered down the ages, trailblazing, President of the Federation Jonathan Archer, invade his equally famous starship, nearly assimilate Archer's chief medical officer and have a firefight in the corridors before being driven off, and this information is entered into a single file and lost? Or classified so that future Starfleet ships are denied access to potentially life-saving information about that first encounter?

An event as massive as this involving the first great Starfleet captain and starship just lost in the archives?

Honestly?

Come on.

 

[JB2005]

And then later that year, a probe appears in Earth Orbit and kills 7 million people...

A lot of books have been written about the War of 1812, less have been written about the Felling Mine Disaster...

Who remembers that in Summer of 2001 everyone was talking about all the Shark Deaths off the Florida Coastline?

Enterprise was doing a lot, and I'm sure that 200 years later, it would have sounded quite fanciful...

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You could have a combination of someone covering it up (perhaps because they made a mistake), it being buried as just an anomalous blip and the subsequent massive events.

 

[JB2005]

Xindi Crisis, Romulan War, Federation Founding, Vulcan Upheaval, Augments Crisis. Klingon Ridge Loss...who'd remember some story about cyborgs?

 

[Sandoval]

And then later that year, a probe appears in Earth Orbit and kills 7 million people...

A lot of books have been written about the War of 1812, less have been written about the Felling Mine Disaster...

Who remembers that in Summer of 2001 everyone was talking about all the Shark Deaths off the Florida Coastline?

Enterprise was doing a lot, and I'm sure that 200 years later, it would have sounded quite fanciful...

Shark attacks happen fairly regularly. Mining disasters happen fairly regularly. Human wars happen even more regularly.

However finding alien spacecraft on Earth whose occupants turn people into mechanical zombies that subsequently have a massive encounter with supposedly the most famous captain and ship in Starfleet history does not happen fairly regularly.

Likewise Xindi probes would likely not appear in Earth orbit and cause carnage particularly regularly, but one would still imagine that if an identical one popped up in the 2360s Starfleet would know what it was and have access to a record of it.

I don't think any of this is a particularly unreasonable expectation of an organisation such as Starfleet.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Yes it's true, monolithic military organizations with uber computers never make mistakes..

Wait, wasn't this like a gazillion TOS episode plots?

 

[tighr]

Yes it's true, monolithic military organizations with uber computers never make mistakes..

Wait, wasn't this like a gazillion TOS episode plots?

Wasn't this the plot of TNG: When the Bough Breaks? The idiots relied on their computer so much it was killing them.

 

[Sandoval]

Yes it's true, monolithic military organizations with uber computers never make mistakes..

Mistakes like losing the one file of which you spoke detailing such a major encounter? Nah.

 

[JB2005]

It's history! What are the odds that anyone other than history majors would even remember it? Afghanistan has always been a terrible place to try and invade and occupy, but I'll lay odds that none of the Generals looked up the past military occupations to try and alter their strategy...

 

[Sandoval]

It's history! What are the odds that anyone other than history majors would even remember it? Afghanistan has always been a terrible place to try and invade and occupy, but I'll lay odds that none of the Generals looked up the past military occupations to try and alter their strategy...

What's all this 'remembering' rubbish being spouted?

No one is arguing that your average crewman degaussing the transporter pads of the Enterprise-D should have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the the Borg encounter of 2154, but is it really that ridiculous to assume that an android operations officer who has countless times demonstrated instant recall of the most minor details from throughout Federation history should have at least a passing familiarity of such an encounter via Starfleet records?

I don't think so.

 

[JB2005]

But he hasn't...in The Naked Time, it's Riker who spots the connection to TOS, not Data...

In Up The Long Ladder it is again Riker who spots that the sound is an ancient distress signal and Picard who thinks to check the loading records...

You're assuming facts without presenting any evidence...