I'm sure she and L'rell will bond, make s'mores and braid each other's....oh, wait
Spoilers References in "Discovery"?
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I find it extremely odd that Discovery directly ties in with "In a Mirror, Darkly" but seemingly pretends "Affliction" and "Divergeance" never happened.
Yet the DSC backstory is that the last time Klingons were a thing was in ENT. And "Divergence" does its best to suggest that Klingons would cease to be a thing for a while, sulking in the shadows while their plastic surgeons struggled.
Now we see what they came up with!
Timo Saloniemi
Now we see what they came up with!
Timo Saloniemi
Except we know categorically from the designers and their thoughts behind the new Klingon design (bald due to sensory receptors in their heads?), that that definitely is NOT what they intended.
Since the Empire seems to rule by overthrow, I don;t think they hold their predecessors in very high esteem.
And for all we know Hoshi was immediately offed by Emporer Mayweather. It's fittingly opposite that the biggest nobody of one world rules the other.
There is an implied reference: Emperor Georgiou's name includes the title Iaponius, which is (Neo-)Latin for "Japanese" (although it seems to be in the masculine form, which seems a bit odd to me). According to the scriptwriter, this title was included as a nod to Sato; his thinking is that Georgiou wants to establish a connection to Empress Sato's legacy, whether or not there is any direct connection.
...I don't think we have to sweat creator intent on this issue much. Sooner or later, DSC will have to come to grips with whether it wants to be part of "greater Trek" or not, just like all those other visual reboots like TNG and ENT did. And if the DSC folks decide the way all those others did, we'll get some harebrained "explanation" or "excuse" or at least an attempt at blending, much like we did on, heck, this specific issue of Klingon looks in every one of those others.
Plotwise, they could have mentioned Empress Sato as the one who introduced the plot-relevant Defiant to the Empire. They chose to mention Archer by name instead. And only in a footnote that's basically impossible to read even from a Ludicrous-HD zoom-in, unless one knows where that bit of text was copy-pasted from.
It may be a tightly knotted universe (or pair of those), but it ain't a small one, not if these writers can help it.
Timo Saloniemi
I should point out that in actual on-screen canon, we have no idea of Sato's attempted coup on the Empire was actually successful, for more than about 30 seconds. Yes, she had one powerful ship, but who knows what kind of superweapons a paranoid facist autocracy would have as a last resort to protect its most important planet...
I know there are books and so on, but writers have ignored them before.
I know there are books and so on, but writers have ignored them before.
We know the defiant survived
I was thinking more along the lines of a hundred or so augment supersoldiers being beamed straight to the bridge.
I'm going out on a limb here and guessing you mean the verteron array? No particular reason......
By the way the writers have no reason to follow those books, the books are supposed to follow them.
I'm developing a love-hate for references like that. They annoy as much as anything. You basically have to reimagine Archer delivering home a different looking Klaang in your head, or Discovery has to throw fans a bone and show a little more variety to the Klingon race in future. The word I'm looking for here is hirsute. That's all that's wrong with their redesign. Unlike their monstrous starships, where I honestly don't know where to begin reconciling with series set before and after.
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What I find interesting is the emphasis on "setting foot" here, leaving us room to think that other Feds did visit the place but didn't get actual boots-down time. This would cover all sorts of hijinks, including people who did walk on or under the surface of Qo'noS but did not make a fuss about it, while their ships legitimately orbited the place.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Something similar to ENT happened in the DSC version of Star Trek. But the Klingons looked different and "Affliction"/"Divergeance" seemingly never happened.
Did the episode say it was nearly a century or over a century since Archer's visit?
Too bad they didn’t show the Defiant, all they had was redacted data on it.
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