I didn't really like Tom and B'elanna. Tom was so childish and immature and B'elanna in my opinion just became this tame dame for some reason even tho she was an independent fierce warrior plus half klingon she had this huge chip bc of her dad not being man enough and running out on her so she chooses the least manly of playboy dudes that actually dumps her at one point. Idk it's just my opinion but I didn't like it.
Reasons why Be'lanna and Seven should have been
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Yes. Good points. I guess I like the idea of an engineer and a half machine lol. Plus klingon are supposed to be 3x human strength but some how the guys on star trek are able to restrain B'elanna. And somehow all those people and none of them are gay? The borg are Asexual I think 7 is probably pansexual meaning it's the person not gender. I think B'elanna is bi with that whole son of ko'vor thing she says to 7 so is this our 2nd date. Idk it prob won't even happen on Picard but one can hope.
Yes an organic homosexual relationship shouldn't be that hard to write but even now in 2020 I am still waiting to exhale.
They should have defiantly had more LGBTQ characters in Trek. That was a clear disgrace especially going by the fact they wouldn't even really mention gay people existed even in Enterprise which was created in 2001. With Seven they should have dropped hints and then have her become sexually interested in someone I would say at the end of season 6. I would even rewrite the whole Unimatrix two parter where we find out she and the Borg Queen were having this romance in this kind of memory zone or whatever one would call it. Also Celes who would be a romantic partner with Seven in season 7 and Kes. It would be part of her growth as she got older on the show.
Jason
Jason
They say opposites attract, but how many couples do you know are diametrically opposed to one another? I'm guessing fairly few, as it might work for a short-term fling or one-night dalliance, but a proper long-term committed relationship needs a basis of shared interests and likes in order to make it work.
Yeah, the "opposites attract" trope tends to get on my nerves, and it has definitely been proven wrong for real-life relationships.
There are actually some fanfics out there that make it work for me, but then a good writer could pretty much sell me anything, probably even LizardJaneway and LizardParis! On the show, I can't see it. It's been a long time I watched it, but I seem to remember B'Elanna was quite callous with Seven, using racist remarks etc.
The opposites attract notion I think is mostly a tv and movie convention because it does play well in fiction because of the built in conflict in which everything from drama to romance to comedy tends to be built on.
Jason
Many personality and body traits can be opposites, as long as there still is a common core of values for example.
Well 7 of 9 and B'elanna have a lot in common. They both are loyal smart asf 7 can understand B'elannas genius she's proven herself in battle and stronger than B'elanna which I think would attract her as well as 7 would learn her language and tradition. She was willing to sacrifice herself for the crew IDT she would ever let B'elanna down. 7 is actually very sweet she just wears her ice shield like B'elanna uses her anger as a shield. I think 7 does like B'elanna why is she always in engineering? Either way they just look good together as well in my opinion.
"Halfbreeds"?
Would you care to rephrase that? It's considered a racist term.
B'Elanna is hybrid. Seven is not, as she had two parents of the same species.
I can't imagine Voyager even beginning to approach the finesse of Xena: Warrior Princess as far as lesbian subtext is concerned.
I don't remember which episode, but there's one where Seven states that she doesn't want to limit herself. It seems obvious that she's willing to experiment with anyone, if she finds the individual who would meet her exacting standards of intelligence, common interests, and so on. Gender and species would be irrelevant.
I think eventually Seven and B'Elanna could become good friends, but with no romantic/sexual attraction involved. Just friends, and it's a shame that wasn't allowed to happen. TNG and DS9 both had two women as "buddies" (Crusher & Troi and Kira & Dax). Even TOS had Uhura & Christine Chapel. The Voyager fans got Tom & Harry as the buddies, but none of the women characters developed that sort of friendship.
"Halfbreeds"?
Would you care to rephrase that? It's considered a racist term.
B'Elanna is hybrid. Seven is not, as she had two parents of the same species.
I can't imagine Voyager even beginning to approach the finesse of Xena: Warrior Princess as far as lesbian subtext is concerned.
I don't remember which episode, but there's one where Seven states that she doesn't want to limit herself. It seems obvious that she's willing to experiment with anyone, if she finds the individual who would meet her exacting standards of intelligence, common interests, and so on. Gender and species would be irrelevant.
I think eventually Seven and B'Elanna could become good friends, but with no romantic/sexual attraction involved. Just friends, and it's a shame that wasn't allowed to happen. TNG and DS9 both had two women as "buddies" (Crusher & Troi and Kira & Dax). Even TOS had Uhura & Christine Chapel. The Voyager fans got Tom & Harry as the buddies, but none of the women characters developed that sort of friendship.
The hybrid B'Elanna died in early season one.
A fully human transporter clone of B'Elanna barely survived.
She had to be surgically-altered/genemodded with Klingon traits to keep her heart beating. Klingons have two hearts?
Her baby with Tom should have been %100 human
Sorry to say that but the difference is deceptive, they were too similar to end together:
- passive/aggressive (even if the aggressiveness was stronger for Torres than Seven);
- efficient in their work; maybe too much at the point neither of them can bear to be contradicted;
- tend to hide their very sensitivity and fear behind their coldness (Seven) or aggressiveness (B'Elena) and refuse to ask some help
for fear of appearing weak in the eyes of others, when they struggle;
- sometimes, too direct in their approach when they have a goal in mind, which can scare people;
- able to fight with bare hands and kill if necessary to protect themselves physically but unconscious of their physical strength;
- having suffered from the absence of their parents,
which sometimes leads them to be over-protective with certain (Seven with Icheb/Naomi and B'Elena with Harry)
- need to be reassured so much their inner demons hunt them (her past as Borg for Seven and her Klingon roots for Torres)
However, as BFFs, I'm totally. Besides, in many fanfictions, we can "see" them exchanging like sisters, who like to bicker for nothing but who are able to support each other alternatively when necessary.
I admit that I would better see Janeway with Seven or with Tom (if we Seven/Chakotay and Kes/Neelix were canon I don't see why Janeway couldn't be with Seven or Tom to whom she was very close: both knew how to interact with her and her with them)
- passive/aggressive (even if the aggressiveness was stronger for Torres than Seven);
- efficient in their work; maybe too much at the point neither of them can bear to be contradicted;
- tend to hide their very sensitivity and fear behind their coldness (Seven) or aggressiveness (B'Elena) and refuse to ask some help
for fear of appearing weak in the eyes of others, when they struggle;
- sometimes, too direct in their approach when they have a goal in mind, which can scare people;
- able to fight with bare hands and kill if necessary to protect themselves physically but unconscious of their physical strength;
- having suffered from the absence of their parents,
which sometimes leads them to be over-protective with certain (Seven with Icheb/Naomi and B'Elena with Harry)
- need to be reassured so much their inner demons hunt them (her past as Borg for Seven and her Klingon roots for Torres)
However, as BFFs, I'm totally. Besides, in many fanfictions, we can "see" them exchanging like sisters, who like to bicker for nothing but who are able to support each other alternatively when necessary.
I admit that I would better see Janeway with Seven or with Tom (if we Seven/Chakotay and Kes/Neelix were canon I don't see why Janeway couldn't be with Seven or Tom to whom she was very close: both knew how to interact with her and her with them)
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"Halfbreeds"?
Would you care to rephrase that? It's considered a racist term.
B'Elanna is hybrid. Seven is not, as she had two parents of the same species.
I can't imagine Voyager even beginning to approach the finesse of Xena: Warrior Princess as far as lesbian subtext is concerned.
I don't remember which episode, but there's one where Seven states that she doesn't want to limit herself. It seems obvious that she's willing to experiment with anyone, if she finds the individual who would meet her exacting standards of intelligence, common interests, and so on. Gender and species would be irrelevant.
I think eventually Seven and B'Elanna could become good friends, but with no romantic/sexual attraction involved. Just friends, and it's a shame that wasn't allowed to happen. TNG and DS9 both had two women as "buddies" (Crusher & Troi and Kira & Dax). Even TOS had Uhura & Christine Chapel. The Voyager fans got Tom & Harry as the buddies, but none of the women characters developed that sort of friendship.
I think the missed chance with Seven and Torres is maybe explore what they were doing more often. They could have been the shows version of Odo/Quark were they like each other but also get on each others nerves and sometimes hate each other as well.
Jason
The word you're looking for is "frenemies" - another staple of soap operas, where two characters hate each other but also have a grudging respect and eventually become half-friends, half enemies. Occasionally they drop the enemies aspect and become friends (best example I can think of at the moment is Carly and Sam on General Hospital - bitter enemies at first, but over the years as Sam earned Carly's respect, they eventually ended up as friends).
I thought you were going to say Sam and Carly from ICarly, which is weird, becuase you are not in the demographic to tolerate Nickelodeon bullshit.
Nickelodeon is not available here, so I won't get any pop culture references to any of its shows that haven't been on some channel I can get and have seen.
The characters I referenced are Carly Corinthos and Samantha McCall (Samantha Morgan whenever she and Jason Morgan are married; they've been married several times over the years).
Once you move past Spock/McCoy and Odo/Quark I always go to one of my favorite shows as a kid which was "Dukes of Hazard" when Roscoe and his dog Flash got invited over to the Duke Boys farm during one of their Christmas episodes.
Jason
Days of our lives, as a child was a dirty stinking stupid trap, in the 80s.
I'm off school, so what's on TV?
#&&&
MOMMY! ARE YOU SURE I CAN'T GO TO SCHOOL?
I never did get into Days of Our Lives, though I'm aware of some of the major storylines and the guy who played Patch was Stefan Cassadine on GH.
Speaking of Cassadines, there is a Trek connection. Constance Towers, who played Helena Cassadine, was a guest star on DS9 in an early season episode. Julian was assigned to nursemaid a group of ambassadors, and of course that was when the station was either attacked or something went horribly wrong (don't recall; it's been awhile since I last saw that one).
And since we're talking about Voyager, the actress who plays Olivia Quartermain on GH played adult Miral in "Endgame". That episode was on yesterday, and while it's hard to spot the resemblance under the Klingon makeup (not to mention that the actress is 15+ years older now), the voice is unmistakable (though Miral doesn't have quite as strong an accent as Olivia does).