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Ranks of characters

Meanwhile, Geordi La Forge also graduated from the Academy in 2357, but was still a Lieutenant, junior grade when he was assigned to the Enterprise-D in 2364. He did receive his promotion to Lieutenant in 2365 when Captain Picard named him Chief Engineer, and he was promoted to Lieutenant Commander the following year. However, he wasn't promoted to Commander until 2380. While on assignment to the U.S.S. Challenger, Geordi was promoted to Captain in 2383 and retained the rank when he returned to the Enterprise, but took a voluntary demotion back down to Commander when Starfleet implied that he would be forced to transfer to another billet, which is where he is as of 2386 ("Available Light").

Based on USN promotion eligibility criteria (Starfleet doesn't have 'up and out' so you don't need to be promoted to stay in), LaForge's career progression seems about right from ENS to JG, but there appears to have stalled temporarily between JG and LT (possibly he didn't get the necessary 'continous personal development oppurtunities on the Hood) as USN standards suggest LT after at least four years, whereas he had been in for seven, alternatively he met the criteria, but DeSoto wouldn't sign off on his promotion because of manning limitations (maybe Hood was only allowed one LT in the CONN department and he already had one) and he didn't want to lose LaForge for avoidable reasons, but had to given in when the Enterprise slot came up otherwise he'd 'get in trouble'. The latter option would better explain why LaForge was 'early promoted' to LTCDR - he had (almost) enough time in service for the promotion, and the billet he was holding was a LTCDR's one. Also, while it's possible that he might have remained as LTCDR as the D's ChEng, he could easily have been promoted to CMDR when he took the slot as the E's ChEng (maybe he was 'punished' for his unwitting part in the D's destruction by having his promotion paused?).

Riker on the other hand seems to have had a very brisk rank progression, LT within two years (basically jumped a grade), LTCDR c. 2362 (five years TIS, a year or two early compared to LaForge's 'early promote') and then promoted again one grade (but offered a captaincy, an at least implicit two grade bump, or at least 'one and a half') within three years (eight years TIS, at most half of the TIS req'd and that's if you assume that both posts he was offered are CMDR grade for 'seniority', even if you can wear CAPT pips in the latter). It's not difficult to imagine that either or both of Pressman and Kyle Riker were pulling strings behind the scenes to accelerate Will's career (in the former case as an inducement to keep quiet about the Pegasus affair).
 
So I noticed that Allison Scagliotti, one of the Enterprise-E's helmsmen & shuttle pilots, received her promotion to Lieutenant (junior grade?) in between "Available Light" and "Collateral Damage", as did combat medic Zseiszaz. And a lot of background engineers and security people were given both names and ranks, but what about the
Starfleet Special Operations personnel attached to the Enterprise named after the Brooklyn Nine-Nine detectives
? I don't believe they were given ranks. @David Mack, is there any chance you can please expand or clarify any of these?
 
So I noticed that Allison Scagliotti, one of the Enterprise-E's helmsmen & shuttle pilots, received her promotion to Lieutenant (junior grade?) in between "Available Light" and "Collateral Damage", as did combat medic Zseiszaz. And a lot of background engineers and security people were given both names and ranks, but what about the
Starfleet Special Operations personnel attached to the Enterprise named after the Brooklyn Nine-Nine detectives
? I don't believe they were given ranks. @David Mack, is there any chance you can please expand or clarify any of these?
If I didn't specify their ranks, I don't want to hem in the next writer. So for now, consider them "unclassified."
 
If I didn't specify their ranks, I don't want to hem in the next writer. So for now, consider them "unclassified."

But Scagliotti and Zseiszaz are both Lieutenants junior grade, right, not O-3 Lieutenants? Or does his classification as a combat medic earn Zseiszaz the full two pips?
 
Collateral Damage refers to Akaar as Chief Admiral in parts, is this an error (previously his post was known as "Commander, Starfleet" in TrekLit) or is "Chief Admiral" the previously unrevealed substantive rank designated by either four pips (Fleet Admiral/Director in my head-canon) or five pips (never seen, but popular in fanon and licensed circles)?

It's not an unreasonable alternative to "Fleet Admiral", and better than the alternative "grand admiral" suggested in some licensed sources, and vaguely suggestive of the RAF rank of "(Air) Chief Marshal" (nominally a four-star post, but might bump up to five-star if an additional rank was inserted between "(Air) Commodore" and "(Air) Vice Marshal", and is somewhat evocative of Starfleet's standing as a law enforcement/security organization.
 
So, more (a) than (b)... pity I was hoping for the other option as IMO four levels of admiral isn't really enough for a organization the implied size of Starfleet with all the myriad of roles that they undertake including many traditionally civilian functions.
 
So, more (a) than (b)... pity I was hoping for the other option as IMO four levels of admiral isn't really enough for a organization the implied size of Starfleet with all the myriad of roles that they undertake including many traditionally civilian functions.
It works fine for the U.S. Navy.
 
It works fine for the U.S. Navy.

Debatable, however I will concede in principle.

However, the largest the US Navy as ever been is a few million, there are probably more Starfleet personnel than that on Earth, never mind the rest of the Solar System or Starfleet as a whole. Conservative estimates of total numbers of Starfleet personnel (0.5% of the population -- similar to the "uniformed services of the USA" -- would give a potential pool of between 49 billion and 4.9 trillion personnel, given that organizational theory suggests that one person should have no more than 10 direct reports and on average can "manage" around 150 people overall (with a variation off 100-290 depending on the study) with the assistance of supervisors, it seems unlikely that Starfleet could cope with a heirarchy as "flat" as only four flag ranks would give them.

But, this is just my opinion, so YMMV.
 
Okay, this one's not really a rank question, but I think this is as good a place as any to ask without starting a new discussion: what, if any, higher education and/or degrees do various Star Trek characters have? Obviously, Dr. McCoy and the other CMOs all have M.D.s, and there are occasional references to characters who have doctorates, but what about the general Starfleet officer, particularly the main characters? Does Starfleet Academy even give out academic degrees, or is it just commissions? I remember reading somewhere (though I don't know exactly where) that V-Adm. Kathryn Janeway has a Ph.D. in Quantum cosmology, but it wasn't clear if she earned that doctorate at the Academy or another school. Other characters are said to have majored or graduated with honors in certain subjects at the Acadmey; do those count as degrees (associate's, bachelor's, master's, doctorates, and/or alien versions thereof) in said subjects? I'd imagine that Capt. Kirk earned a degree in Military Arts & Science - or whatever the closest analogous class/program Starfleet has; likewise with F-Capt. Pike. Meanwhile, I know Adm./Pres. Archer attended Stanford University, but I'm not sure what he would have studied...probably Aeronautics and Astronautics (he said, skimming through a modern-day Stanford academic online catalog).

Also, in "The Buried Age" by @Christopher, Capt. Picard was enrolled at the University of Alpha Centauri going for his doctorate in Archaeology during his time in between commanding the Stargazer and the Enterprise-D - did he actually complete that degree? (Honestly, I can't remember if the mission to find the Manraloth interrupted his doctoral work or if it was post-doctorate.)

Anyways, if anyone has any ideas or actually knows which character(s) hold what degree(s), please let me know. Thanks, and Happy New Years!
 
Also, in "The Buried Age" by @Christopher, Capt. Picard was enrolled at the University of Alpha Centauri going for his doctorate in Archaeology during his time in between commanding the Stargazer and the Enterprise-D - did he actually complete that degree? (Honestly, I can't remember if the mission to find the Manraloth interrupted his doctoral work or if it was post-doctorate.)

I don't recall for sure, but I probably intended that his return to Starfleet derailed his pursuit of a doctorate.
 
Based on the "Starfleet follows the US Navy unless stated otherwise" assumption that typically underpins these sort of discussions, I would assume that anyone who has graduated would -- similar to Annapolis, West Point or the AF Academy* -- have at least a bachelors degree and anyone whose bio indicates they completed studies at two or more universities (such as Deanna Troi) would have at least a Masters.

* On the other hand, the Royal Navy model offers a partial fix for Roddenberry's dubious "everyone's an officer" model, as future officers pursue a short "basic training" at BRNC (30-49 weeks), then are posted to the Fleet as Midshipmen (a commissioned officer, but mostly used as a rating), during which time they may (and those that do are likely to be promoted faster and further) to complete at least a two-year foundation degree and opportunities for post-grad education exist.
 
Back again for the next exciting round of "What rank do these characters hold?": In The Higher Frontier (and Forgotten History before it), the Betelgeusian crewman Hrrii’ush Uuvu’it was referred to as Petty Officer; now given that the promotion was fairly recent in Forgotten History, I'm assuming that means he was a Petty Officer 3rd Class in 2274, but in The Higher Frontier, I couldn't tell if he was still a PO3 or if he'd been promoted to PO2 or PO1 - @Christopher, can you comment or is that just one of those things that you didn't really think about? Also, congratulations to Dr. Reiko Onami on her promotion to Chief Petty Officer, and (no surprises here, given The Wrath of Khan) Kirk, Spock, and Chekov on their respective promotions to Rear Admiral, Captain, and Lieutenant Commander (
oh, and Thelin th'Valrass was also promoted from Commander to Captain
).

In addition, Star Trek: Picard showed [Picard's] Starfleet Academy diploma in the archive/storage locker, showing that he'd earned a degree in Command & Control along with his commission establishing that, yes, (at least in his case) Starfleet Academy does confer degrees upon its graduates. But if I read Christopher's post correct, he didn't get a chance to finish his Ph.D. at UAC.
 
In The Higher Frontier (and Forgotten History before it), the Betelgeusian crewman Hrrii’ush Uuvu’it was referred to as Petty Officer; now given that the promotion was fairly recent in Forgotten History, I'm assuming that means he was a Petty Officer 3rd Class in 2274, but in The Higher Frontier, I couldn't tell if he was still a PO3 or if he'd been promoted to PO2 or PO1 - @Christopher, can you comment or is that just one of those things that you didn't really think about?

I didn't think about it, no. Just that he transferred to security.
 
Also, congratulations to Dr. Reiko Onami on her promotion to Chief Petty Officer

Okay... even for a relatively "pro-enlisted" guy like me, the idea that someone with a post-graduate degree* -- admittedly a PhD rather an MD -- would be only an NCO is odd to say the least.

* Undergraduate degree is possibly both in canon (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Mortimer_Harren) and in the RW based on RN policy which appoints junior nurses as enlisted and only the senior nurses (team managers and nurse practitioners and above as officers).
 
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Okay... even for a relatively "pro-enlisted" guy like me, the idea that someone with a post-graduate degree* -- admittedly a PhD rather an MD -- is odd to say the least.

Oh, I think I see what you mean -- that someone with that much education would probably be given an officer rank even if they didn't get it at the Academy. I don't know what to tell you, except that Trek has always treated Starfleet ranks in an inconsistent way.
 
Oh, I think I see what you mean -- that someone with that much education would probably be given an officer rank even if they didn't get it at the Academy.

Yup. Particularly in the "blue trades" which don't normally lead to command.

This is IMO the most plausible explanation for both Saavik and Kelvin!Kirk holding Lieutenant rank while attending the Academy.

I don't know what to tell you, except that Trek has always treated Starfleet ranks in an inconsistent way.

Pretty much.

And the most consistent treatment is to ignore enlisted entirely, either on the assumption that they don't exist or at least that they are unimportant.
 
Based on USN promotion eligibility criteria (Starfleet doesn't have 'up and out' so you don't need to be promoted to stay in), LaForge's career progression seems about right from ENS to JG, but there appears to have stalled temporarily between JG and LT (possibly he didn't get the necessary 'continous personal development oppurtunities on the Hood) as USN standards suggest LT after at least four years, whereas he had been in for seven, alternatively he met the criteria, but DeSoto wouldn't sign off on his promotion because of manning limitations (maybe Hood was only allowed one LT in the CONN department and he already had one) and he didn't want to lose LaForge for avoidable reasons, but had to given in when the Enterprise slot came up otherwise he'd 'get in trouble'. The latter option would better explain why LaForge was 'early promoted' to LTCDR - he had (almost) enough time in service for the promotion, and the billet he was holding was a LTCDR's one. Also, while it's possible that he might have remained as LTCDR as the D's ChEng, he could easily have been promoted to CMDR when he took the slot as the E's ChEng (maybe he was 'punished' for his unwitting part in the D's destruction by having his promotion paused?).

Riker on the other hand seems to have had a very brisk rank progression, LT within two years (basically jumped a grade), LTCDR c. 2362 (five years TIS, a year or two early compared to LaForge's 'early promote') and then promoted again one grade (but offered a captaincy, an at least implicit two grade bump, or at least 'one and a half') within three years (eight years TIS, at most half of the TIS req'd and that's if you assume that both posts he was offered are CMDR grade for 'seniority', even if you can wear CAPT pips in the latter). It's not difficult to imagine that either or both of Pressman and Kyle Riker were pulling strings behind the scenes to accelerate Will's career (in the former case as an inducement to keep quiet about the Pegasus affair).

As far as I can tell, Starfleet doesn't really have time-in-grade; it seems to be more analogous to a probationary period (judging from examples throughout the shows, films and books) of approximately one calendar year (for the purposes of this discussion, somebody promoted in January of 2376 and then again in November of 2377 counts as one calendar year), although there are certain exceptions, ala Christine Vale who was promoted after only six weeks when she accepted the XO billet aboard the Titan. If there's no red flags (disciplinary actions, bad performance reviews, complaints from fellow crewmates), an officer/crewman could apply for a promotion or another posting or his/her/hir/its Commanding Officer could recommend them for a promotion or another posting (I'd also assume that said officer/crewman looking for a promotion would likely apply for a specific position which would come with a promotion, which would be more up to the Commanding Officer's discretion). For example, an enlisted engineer assigned to a transporter room on a Galaxy-class ship puts in a request to transfer to a Saber-class starship, where the only designated transporter operator is a Chief Petty Officer (although I'm also guessing that other engineers are capable of operating the transporter if the designated Transporter Chief is off-duty), should he get the job would also get the promotion; however, either the Captain, Executive Officer, or Chief Engineer of the Saber-class ship, might select another engineer, possibly from their own crew or from another ship or starbase, to fill the post. That same Galaxy-class engineer, should he not be selected as Transporter Chief on the Saber-class, might also put in for a position on a Luna- or Intrepid-class ship (both of which are of course smaller than a Galaxy-class but larger than a Saber-class); there, he might not even be a transporter operator anymore but another section of engineering. It also seems likely that a crewman, especially an enlisted crewman or junior officer, is assigned to a specific billet for a designated amount of time; for example, one might be assigned to a starbase for a three-year tour of duty, where they may or may not get a promotion during the tour but would almost certainly receive one at the end when they move on to the next assignment.

Meanwhile, on the officer track, a newly-commissioned Ensign who's ultimate goal is to command a starship might start her career assigned to Starfleet Headquarters as a shuttle pilot, responsible for ferrying (most likely) senior officers and possibly even senior non-commissioned officers (again, Star Trek has proven lousy - or at the very least, inconsistent - with NCOs/Petty Officers) around Earth or up to Starbase 1 or even throughout the Sol System. If she does a good job, gets along with her bosses, and doesn't piss off the wrong person, she might see a promotion to Lieutenant, junior grade within the year if/when a starship position becomes available, even if it's as a Science Officer, Engineer, or Operations Officer.

On the other hand, officers (particularly senior officers on ships named Enterprise!) might (and, in the case of Enterprise officers, do) decide that they like where they are; I'm sure they must get/have gotten numerous offers to transfer to another ship, which may or may not come with a promotion, but decline them in order to remain in place. While this does mean that other officers on other ships cannot serve aboard, say, the Enterprise, they would be able to take the billet that the Enterprise officer turned down. There are also officers like Montgomery Scott - well, maybe not the Scotty who was serving on the Enterprise and Enterprise-A - who would gladly transfer from ship to ship or even starbase serving as Chief Engineer, but would never put in for a position as XO or Commanding Officer of a starship, because he's happy being a Chief Engineer.

Anyways, those are my thoughts on the process.
 
To any of the S.C.E. authors out there (specifically, but anybody can answer if they know), was it established that the enlisted members of the da Vinci crew held official ranks other than Crewman/Specialist? Like I said upthread, I believe there was a single reference to Bart Faulwell holding the rank of Petty Officer 1st Class, but as far as I know, that was it. If it is true that in fact Faulwell is a PO1, what ranks do the others hold if you know?
 
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