Ranks of characters
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Well, Stevens has allegedly been in Starfleet for at least 15 years, so...
I'd say it depends how many ranks you think there are and whether Starfleet has an "up and out policy".
He's certainly not less than an "Able Crewman" (a rated E2 or maybe E3 depending on ranks), he could be a Crewman First Class like Simon Tarses if Starfleet lacks an "up and out policy" -- which does seem to be case, whether realistic or not,
I'd say it's relatively unlikely that they are all Petty Officer First Class, but they could all Petty Officers of some description if at least two grades exist (I'm fairly solid on that, a little shaky on PO3 v Crewman First Class given the known postholders).
I'd say it depends how many ranks you think there are and whether Starfleet has an "up and out policy".
He's certainly not less than an "Able Crewman" (a rated E2 or maybe E3 depending on ranks), he could be a Crewman First Class like Simon Tarses if Starfleet lacks an "up and out policy" -- which does seem to be case, whether realistic or not,
I'd say it's relatively unlikely that they are all Petty Officer First Class, but they could all Petty Officers of some description if at least two grades exist (I'm fairly solid on that, a little shaky on PO3 v Crewman First Class given the known postholders).
Probably not. Otherwise, Picard should not have been able to spend 30+ years as a Lieutenant in Tapestry.
To say nothing of the 50+ years he's been a Captain in the novel-verse/48 years on the screen (using the year 2333 as when he assumed command of the Stargazer).
As I'm starting my reread of Vanguard (and thanks to another thread, I know Harbinger largely takes place in October 2265), I notice that the station has pretty much just started "normal operations" after fast-tracking its construction nearly two years earlier, but approximately three months? earlier in Distant Early Warning, the station still has a lot of bugs to work out. And also in Harbinger, it's mentioned that the Bombay (and presumably the Endeavour and the Sagittarius) has been assigned to the starbase for the past 10-11 months - is that when the main command crew (Cdre. Reyes, Cmdr. Cooper, Dr. Fisher, Lt. Cmdr. T'Prynn, Capt. Desai, Lt. Xiong, et. al.) was assigned? And I believe it was also mentioned that Reyes was Captain of the U.S.S. Dauntless and Capt. Gannon was his XO until their respective promotions 10-11 months previous - is that correct, or did I read that wrong?
He has? I don't recall that reference (but it's been a while). And keep in mind that Stevens left Starfleet when his enlistment tour was up in 2373 after his friend Muniz died, and he didn't rejoin until late 2374. It's possible that "reset" his rank....
Okay, that's from the "Starship Creator" so...
If we take only information from DS9 and SCE then he had a 3 year hitch on the station/Defiant, then two years out and then reupped for 3-4 years in the SCE...
That's certainly enough for Crewman First Class... additional promotions are less definitive though and should probably not be assumed given the small team involved?
If we take only information from DS9 and SCE then he had a 3 year hitch on the station/Defiant, then two years out and then reupped for 3-4 years in the SCE...
That's certainly enough for Crewman First Class... additional promotions are less definitive though and should probably not be assumed given the small team involved?
Starship Creator said his first name was "Jason," so screw those guys.
Fair enough.
Though technically there's no particular issue with his full name being Fabian Jason Stevens. The different bios are a little trickier though, if only because they identify two different birth locations. If we wanted it to work, we could suggest he was born one of his families shuttles (flagged to the URC and technically "URC territory") but was it was on Alpha Centauri at the time so the birth was registered there?
To @KRAD (specifically) or anyone else who might know: the equivalent Klingon rank for Chief Petty Officer is QaS DevwI', right, or is QaS DevwI' specific to the enlisted company leader? Would a Klingon cargo chief or perhaps other senior enlisted Klingons serving on a ship such as a chef, engineer, or gunner be QaS DevwI' or would that cargo chief be an officer? (This comes up as I read Star Trek: Vanguard, because the I.K.S. Zin'za has a cargo chief named Urgoz and I want to make sure I catalog him correctly in my notes.)
Well, QaS DevwI' directly translates as "Troops to Guide" or roughly as "Troops Leader" so you could argue that it's exclusive to infantry/armour units. The DevwI' is probably good to go, but you might need to swap out the QaS which something more appropriate, maybe tep (which roughly translates as cargo according to translator.eu).
So does the Klingon Defense Force have another rank/title for senior enlisted personnel, or would they just be Bekks or even officers?
Would you have any objection to using my proposal above that non-Troop Leaders are [Speciality] Leader?
Some people can get territorial, figured it would hurt to ask.
So, as far as I could tell, there were
Having said that, if anyone (especially @Kirsten Beyer) knows what rank(s) Drs. El'nor Sal and Sharak (and any other Full Circle Fleet physician) hold, I would greatly appreciate any insight - personally, I see Dr. Sal as an O-5 Commander or possibly though not likely an O-6 Captain (given her 40 years of service), while Dr. Sharak is likely either an O-3 Lieutenant or O-4 Lieutenant Commander (of course, that's just my opinion/supposition and would happy to use their correct ranks). Also, going back a few books, I believe Kirsten said a few years ago that she thought of Admiral Willem Batiste as a four-star Admiral rather than the one-star Rear Admiral lower half I believed him to be given his position as Fleet Commander (comparable to a modern-day US Navy carrier group commander).
no new promotions in "To Lose the Earth", although there were some transfers toward the end, including Lieutenant Commanders Tom Paris and B'Elanna Torres off Voyager, and Commander O'Donnell to Voyager.
Having said that, if anyone (especially @Kirsten Beyer) knows what rank(s) Drs. El'nor Sal and Sharak (and any other Full Circle Fleet physician) hold, I would greatly appreciate any insight - personally, I see Dr. Sal as an O-5 Commander or possibly though not likely an O-6 Captain (given her 40 years of service), while Dr. Sharak is likely either an O-3 Lieutenant or O-4 Lieutenant Commander (of course, that's just my opinion/supposition and would happy to use their correct ranks). Also, going back a few books, I believe Kirsten said a few years ago that she thought of Admiral Willem Batiste as a four-star Admiral rather than the one-star Rear Admiral lower half I believed him to be given his position as Fleet Commander (comparable to a modern-day US Navy carrier group commander).
Commander seems more likely to me. IMO "Staff Corps" Captains are more likely to be stationed on major starbases and the planet-side hospitals than starships.
Although Kaz is listed as a full Commander on Memory Beta, and therefore there's a certain logic to Sharak being one as well, I agree with you that LT or LCDR would make more sense (especially as the later is the rank of the canonical CMO).
Not sure about Kirsten's PoV on the matter, but as of PIC canon is clear that during that period the rank of "one star flag officer" is a Commodore (the only exception to this may have been during the Fed-Cardassian War era), so he -- like Riker as "admiral at large" and later "sector commander" would have to hold at least two-pip RADM rank.
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