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Random speculations thread!

It looks like the "black badges" are Discovery's version of the Night's Watch.

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The Night's Watch is a military order. . . .

Joining the Watch provides absolution for past crimes and immunity from further punishment. Brothers start with a clean slate and can rise within the ranks whatever their origins.

[. . .]

Men of the Watch dress entirely in black, giving rise to the nickname "crows".

[. . .]

"Once a man has taken the black, he is beyond reach of the law. All his past crimes are forgiven."
―Maester Luwin

The Night's Watch has no heraldic symbol, to emphasize its sworn duty to be removed from petty politics of one lordly House or another, but to defend the lands of men as a whole. Thus, the Night's Watch uses solid black on its banner and shields, which symbolize the erasure of any allegiance to noble Houses.​

Section 31?

The new Klingons are the Thenns (a.k.a. "the Thenn"):

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The Thenn people (alternatively referred to as "the Thenn") are the most advanced and best equipped of the wildling tribes, as well as the most disciplined. Thenns also shave their heads bald and engage in self-scarification as well as cannibalism, feasting on the flesh of their enemies.​

This is just an observation.

Just want to note that I did not choose to post in this thread because it's titled "Random Speculation", which this is not because the evidence is striking and shows an undeniably close parallel between the provided examples; it's pretty much a direct copy. Furthermore, the original post makes this thread optional (e.g. "don't want to start a new thread?"). I wanted to start a new thread because of the striking nature of the evidence, unlike general statements that Discovery is trying to be Game of Thrones because of its dark and gritty tone and unexpected character deaths.
 
Just want to note that I did not choose to post in this thread because it's titled "Random Speculation", which this is not because the evidence is striking and shows an undeniably close parallel between the provided examples; it's pretty much a direct copy. Furthermore, the original post makes this thread optional (e.g. "don't want to start a new thread?"). I wanted to start a new thread because of the striking nature of the evidence, unlike general statements that Discovery is trying to be Game of Thrones because of its dark and gritty tone and unexpected character deaths.
Not to crap on your ideas, but this is just random speculation. You don't have a watertight case here.

That wiki says this about the Thenn:
In the books, the Thenn are the most advanced and civilized of the wildlings, which is what makes them more dangerous than many other more savage but undisciplined clans. They do not engage in cannibalism. They are also not mentioned to engage in ritual scarification.

There is a different wildling group that does engage in cannibalism, the ice-river clans, who engage in this behavior due to the harsh conditions of the lands north of the Frozen Shore. The ice-river clans are regarded as savage and half-feral, even by the other wildlings, who loathe and fear them. They hunt other wildlings to eat them for their meat, due to the lack of food in the frozen wastelands they inhabit.

Due to time constraints, the TV series version of "the Thenns" is basically a conflation of the book-Thenns with the book-ice river clans - combining the most advanced and refined wildling clan with the most savage and animalistic. Again, making the Thenns cannibals in the TV series does have some precedent in the books, as there is a separate group of wildlings who are cannibals, but the TV show (somewhat paradoxically) combined them both together. That being said, the TV-Thenns do not appear to (primarily) eat other people as a survival tactic (like the savage ice-river clans in the books), but as a terror-tactic to frighten their enemies (i.e. the old trope of eating an enemy's heart to take his courage).

So, for one thing, the combined traits of eating hearts of enemies, shaving heads, and self-scarification didn't even exist in GOT until the TV show, somewhere around 2013-2014. Minus the shaving, these were already firmly established Klingon-isms for about 25 years. You might as well have said then these were "pretty much a direct copy" of the bald Klingons from Star Trek Into Darkness (2013)... but they probably weren't. Like it says here, eating the enemy's heart is an "old trope". It comes from real-world ancient cultures and isn't just in Star Trek and GOT. Meanwhile, the honor-shame culture, ritual self-harm, and even shaving parallels Japanese samurai, which has been an inspiration for Klingons for even longer.

The idea that the black badges are a military joined to absolve past crimes is interesting, but I'm pretty sure that hasn't been established, and even if it were, I don't see how that and a color would make it "an undeniably close parallel". If they also end up sterilized and stationed at the border for the rest of their lives, maybe.
 
When the prisoners are taken into the discovery, the one dude says "have you ever seen a black badge?" at the same time burnham are walking beside him with a black badge on her yellow jumpsuit.?
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That's not a black badge. It only looks like one (in that specific picture) because of the lighting and camera angle.
 
Random speculation:

If Lorca is written out at end of S1 (which I'd hate...but unfortunately I believe is almost unavoidable) he will not be a villain. He will end up redeeming himself by sacrificing himself for the Discovery.
 
That's not a black badge. It only looks like one (in that specific picture) because of the lighting and camera angle.

Yea i thought about that but it look like a black badge in other pictures too.
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The only reason the black badge should mean something is because the writers wrote that line into the conversation among the prisoners... What it means i have no idea but it doesnt make sense that burnham got one, so its still very possible that its just another badge and not the one mentioned.
 
Yea i thought about that but it look like a black badge in other pictures too.
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The only reason the black badge should mean something is because the writers wrote that line into the conversation among the prisoners... What it means i have no idea but it doesnt make sense that burnham got one, so its still very possible that its just another badge and not the one mentioned.

Not to be too nerdy, but I think hers is a featureless graphite badge denoting her convict status.
 
The “badge” on Michael Burnham’s Starfleet Prision Issue Jumpsuit is smaller, thinner, brown, and lacks the sliver side detail seen in the black Starfleet Insignia Badges seen on one individual in Episode 3. It is NOT the same badge and isn’t really a Starfleet Insignia badge at all, but rather serves more as an intra-prison identifier for someone incarcerated as a result of violating Starfleet’s Uniform Code of Millitary Justice. That and the yellow color of her jumpsuit demonstrate that she falls under the control and jurisdiction of Starfleet.
 
Time travel is going to play a significant role in the plot. When Lorca was persuading Burham to join the crew in "Context is for Kings' he very specifically mentions that the spore drive could possibly take them anywhere or any when, this was defintely for shadowing. In such a time travel event we'll either see Tilly as a Captain in the future, or the Discovery will travel to the past and save Georgiou and possibly T'Kuvma.

Also L'Rell might be pregnant with Tyler's baby.
 
Do you have any rational line of reasoning that they’re a similar outfit other than “Black Badge = Black worn by the Night’s Watch”?

If you paid attention to my original post, you would have noticed that it's not just the black symbolism but a combination of parallels.

Not to crap on your ideas, but this is just random speculation. You don't have a watertight case here.

Random, in this case, means lacking a clear plan, purpose, or pattern. The original title of my post was "Discovery: Game of Thrones" to observe clear parallels, with specific evidence-backed examples, between the two television series. Plus, the "black badges" topic has already spawned its own article with a fan theory on the internet.

What happens if this thread grows into hundreds of pages? Will anything new resembling a theory always be redirected here for new readers to dig through?

Anyway, what's done is done. Let's move on.

So, for one thing, the combined traits of eating hearts of enemies, shaving heads, and self-scarification didn't even exist in GOT until the TV show, somewhere around 2013-2014.

The Game of Thrones Wiki that was linked to is specifically for the television series:

...an encyclopedic guide to the HBO television series Game of Thrones

The linked-to Thenns page simply mentions the differences with the books for comparison. It even includes the following clarification, which you've already quoted, as the main reason for those differences:

Due to time constraints, the TV series version of "the Thenns" is basically a conflation of the book-Thenns with the book-ice river clans - combining the most advanced and refined wildling clan with the most savage and animalistic. Again, making the Thenns cannibals in the TV series does have some precedent in the books, as there is a separate group of wildlings who are cannibals, but the TV show (somewhat paradoxically) combined them both together. That being said, the TV-Thenns do not appear to (primarily) eat other people as a survival tactic (like the savage ice-river clans in the books), but as a terror-tactic to frighten their enemies (i.e. the old trope of eating an enemy's heart to take his courage).​

This actually only strengthens the parallels between the two series.

The idea that the black badges are a military joined to absolve past crimes is interesting, but I'm pretty sure that hasn't been established, and even if it were, I don't see how that and a color would make it "an undeniably close parallel". If they also end up sterilized and stationed at the border for the rest of their lives, maybe.

Try putting it all together: convicts, black badges aboard the USS Discovery, Michael Burnham as a convict with a black badge, "top secret tech" that may go against the Federation rules and ethics, Lorca's power to defy the Federation laws and values, Discovery's registry number being NCC-1031, Section 31's black uniforms and being a clandestine group that claims to protect the interests of the United Earth and the Federation, while being accountable to no one.

Combine it with the new Klingons being like the Thenns in Game of Thrones (TV series).

It doesn't have to be identical in every detail to be a close parallel.

Burnham is actually wearing a super rare Gray Badge.

It’s as clear as day that DSC’s Gray Badgers are exactly like the Grey Wardens from Dragon Age.

And the new Klingons are the Discovery’s Darkspawn.

Ironically, now that you mention it, they might very well be like the Grey Wardens in Dragon Age.

The Grey Wardens (Dragon Age):

You will guard them and they will hate you for it. Whenever there is not a Blight actively crawling over the surface, humanity will do its best to forget how much they need you. And that's good. We need to stand apart from them, even if they have to push us away to make us do it. That is the only way we can ever make the hard decisions.” ―Kristoff, Commander of the Grey of Orlais during the Blessed Age

[. . .]

Beholden to no temporal lords, they were free to sacrifice villages and fortresses that could not be won, preserving their might for the clashes that truly mattered.

... they acquire whatever resources they can regardless of the method, and employ whomever they must, regardless of their defects of morals or character. They often turn a blind eye to blood magic, deal with demons of the Fade, and do whatever else they must so long as those efforts led to the Blight's end.

... the ranks of the Order are filled with dangerous men and women, some unscrupulous in the extreme, but the Wardens make a point of suspending judgment of any who are effective against the darkspawn.

[. . .]

Grey Wardens are also known to recruit criminals, giving them a chance to redeem themselves by pledging to a good cause.​

Clear as day.
 
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