Raffi's poverty
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Some Pokemon Cards can have beautiful art
Not my thing, but they definitely qualify as “art” to me.
You don't think the concept of the Belters is interesting? Working the Belt they live in a lower gravity environment, resulting in different physical traits. Taller, thinner, weaker bones. They don't live as long because of it. It's juxtaposed against the healthier citizens of Mars and Earth who have longer lifespans. The Belter women have difficulty giving birth because of weaker abdominal muscles from the gravity as well.
The Belters also speak differently.
It's an interesting setup. And obviously some thought and imagination were put into it.
And it's still grounded in our reality as well. You can find many analogues in it, as the Belters are producing for the richer societies.
I think it's pretty clear Raffi is meant to be lower class, but there's nothing interesting or creative about it.
Well the Belters live in space and Raffi lives on Earth. The Belt's environment contributes to their physiology, it's not the result of poverty. Language also evolves. They communicate differently because they're in space suits. Their spoken language is a mixture of Earth languages. The Martians also have physiological difference based on environment. The folks on Earth are a better parallel Raffi. And their Basic sucks compared to the Federation.
The thought and set up comes from where the Belters are from. Raffi is the product of 24th Century Federation society, so it's unlikely she'd have to be representative of outlier of that culture.
Well she isn't.
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Based on what? What is "Lower class" in the 24th Century? People without a vineyard?
She has a trailer in the desert and clearly isn't in want of food. She's just a late 24th century human who doesn't have as much as some and has chosen to live a more isolated life to dwell on her problems and failings and that doesn't necessarily translate to "lower class." She's not sick, malnourished or on her deathbed so she's a lot better off than many poor people in today's world.
I think the suppositions about Raffi's "poverty" status stem more from personal inferment than what is presented on screen. She is bitter, angry, and shut herself off from the world. Could she get help? Yeah, probably. Will she seek it? No, because she blames Jean-Luc for her lot in life. And before anyone says I'm blaming the victim I'm not. I'm looking at the information presented on screen based upon the perspectives of the people telling the story. Neither Raffi nor Jean-Luc are in the right state of mind to accurately describe the situation.
That's probably because he sent the priceless original to the vault immediately, and kept a replicated copy on the Enterprise. Which is the one we see him toss aside.
Me to, but that makes her apparent bitterness at Picard living in a chateau so very bizarre...
So is writing but that doesn't mean that every post on this site is a piece of art.
In what art?
So you're saying that Picard can only care about one thing at a time? That's an odd limitation...
Riker: Hey, captain why are you tearing a hole in this original Rembrandt???
Picard: Well, I don't care about it this instant, I want the thing that's behind it...
Doesn't Raffi have all that empty land surrounding her trailer? It wasn't a trailer park. Why doesn't she just build a bigger house using construction materials from her replicator?
That's the catch of this "no money" society. No one's stopping her from getting a bigger house. But she needs to build it herself.
I think also that replicators play a huge part in how the no money society works. It becomes less "why isn't everyone stealing everything?" and more "why would you steal when you can just replicate whatever you want yourself, and everyone has a replicator?"
I suspect that the energy consumption is taken directly from the sun (and maybe dark energy or whatever scientific power sources are in the future), and so there's almost limitless energy. Voyager had a problem and limited replicator use because they weren't orbiting a sun, and any power it took when they did was immediately used for warping home.
That's the catch of this "no money" society. No one's stopping her from getting a bigger house. But she needs to build it herself.
I think also that replicators play a huge part in how the no money society works. It becomes less "why isn't everyone stealing everything?" and more "why would you steal when you can just replicate whatever you want yourself, and everyone has a replicator?"
I suspect that the energy consumption is taken directly from the sun (and maybe dark energy or whatever scientific power sources are in the future), and so there's almost limitless energy. Voyager had a problem and limited replicator use because they weren't orbiting a sun, and any power it took when they did was immediately used for warping home.
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hmmmm..... who out of everyone here could possibly be doing that....
I've seen what looks like a kid's scribbles in art museums. Or a piece of empty white canvas. Ever heard of "monochrome bleu"? Or the "fat corner"?
I'll paraphrase Picasso by responding: "Chinese may seem like nonsensical scribblings to you but there are more than a billion Chinese people to whom it means something."
That's not what Bill is saying at all. Consider what kind of place Picard as it emotionally in that scene. In the span of the last few days, he's lost his brother, nephew, childhood home, current home and his job. Losing just one of these can set some people off in unexpected and out of character ways, but for a guy who's just lost all of that? Of course he's not going to give much of a damn about some inanimate object and just toss it aside like trash regardless of what it actually is and is worth.
That's not how it looks at all. What we see is Picard rummaging through the debris of his quarters to find a scrapbook that he couldn't doubt reconstruct anytime with computer records while exchanging two-bit metaphysical views with Riker. Saying that someone once said to him (that time was a predator) while that happened a couple of hours before. Does he seem affected by the destruction of enterprise? Not in the least.
Emotions are complex.
Art speaks to the individual not billions.
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