Production Order Group Viewing 2018

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  1. Odona Kirk

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    It probably didn't fit any more.:lol: Seriously, William Shatner looks pretty chubby in this episode!
     
  2. Mytran

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    I think the material they were made from tended to shrink over successive washes too. His sleeves on the wraparound were starting to look pretty short in some scenes!
     
  3. Henoch

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    I assume M5 thought of every conceivable way to cut off outgoing communications including jamming communicators, shuttlecraft systems, morse code via blinking lights, etc. My question, why was it important to M5 to cut off those communications in the first place? M5 let the crew listen to the incoming communications, so, why wouldn't it also cut off those messages? Of course, the M-5 itself has not behaved logically.

    I thought M5 was very clever to reroute helm control from junctions where Scott was trying to cut off M5's control, but faked Scott out with the decoy. It is also like a gaming program where it wants to win at all costs. Where have we seen that again? (Would you like to play a game?)
     
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  4. Pauln6

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    That's what the AI wants you to think.

    I do love the way the M5 tells Kirk that he's non-essential to the landing party and he acts like it's the worst thing in the world. The computer was doomed from that moment.
     
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  5. johnnybear

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    Kirk was the centre of his own universe! :lol:
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  6. Pauln6

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    Nobody puts Kirk in the corner!
     
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  7. johnnybear

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    But whatever they do he's still the Captain!!!
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  8. johnnybear

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    I think we need a Kirk/Shatner emoji on this forum!!!
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  9. Mytran

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    "Just sit back and let the machine do the work" is probably a concern that was in many people's minds in 1968. It's an interesting juxtaposition when seen through a 23rd century lens, a time when most people have casual use of the most astounding technology and levels of automation. But this episode then shows us that there IS a limit to how much tech is too much tech after all.
    Is that the message?
     
  10. johnnybear

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    I wonder why the green wraparound never appeared in the third season of Star Trek?
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  11. plynch

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    The new polyesters didn't shrink. How was Mr. Shatner's tummy in S3? His occasional chubbiness was iirc a reason for wraparound use (more adjustable than the ever-shrinking velours) in S2.
     
  12. ZapBrannigan

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    For my money, the wraparound is too casual.
    http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x15/TOS_2x13_TheTroubleWithTribbles0193-Trekpulse.jpg

    I don't think a military uniform, or even business attire, should be that open at the neck. In the 1910's, a man could get arrested for showing that much skin at the beach. What's more: too much skin and people don't take you seriously. "My eyes are up here."
     
  13. plynch

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    Unless things are different in 2267. Though I'd agree it should be shipboard offduty uni. to my eyes too. Tastes vary though.
     
  14. mb22

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    Kirk strolls around the Enterprise corridors bare chested in The Corbomite Maneuver:
    http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x10hd/thecorbomitemaneuverhd072.jpg
     
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    Strange to think that Kirk and McCoy's first episode started with a physical in Corbomite Maneuver and ended in Turnabout Intruder the same way!!! :hugegrin:
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  18. Henoch

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    I think the crew were really busy finding and working out all the bugs after the last refit. Or is this another case of "Quick, look busy. The Captain's coming." When M5 is in control, it ignores the Captain.
     
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  19. Poltargyst

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    The Omega Glory

    I just noticed we started this glorious production order rewatch a year ago last week with the Cage. And where's that no good OP who got me into this and then disappeared????

    Second episode in row where we see another Connie.

    "Lieutenant, have Mister Spock, Doctor McCoy, and this week's designated redshirt who's going to die report to the transporter room."

    I wonder how long the Exeter has been orbiting Omega IV. Six months? Remember those episodes where the Enterprise's orbit is going to decay in a matter of hours if not minutes? The Exeter's crew knew how to maintain an orbit even while dead.

    "All four of the craft are still here." Connies seem to have a standard complement of four shuttlecraft.

    " If you've come aboard this ship, you're dead men." You'd think they'd have better protocols for beaming into potentially infectious environments.

    Tracey's taking the loss of his crew better than Decker did.

    "A star captain's most solemn oath is that he will give his life, even his entire crew, rather than violate the Prime Directive. " Yeah, ,okay, Jim, I think I've seen you weasel out of that a few times.

    Tracey just shot Galway for no reason! What a dick! This is what you get when you let a Tantalus Colony escapee command a starship.

    As Kirk and Tracey engage in a Kirk Fu-off...and Tracey wins with a chop to Kirk's neck! Tracey out-Kirk Fued Kirk!

    Kirk: "I don't think we have the right or the wisdom to interfere, however a planet is evolving. " Who are you and what have you done with Jim Kirk?

    More Kirk Fu as Kirk employs a chopnado attack against Cloud William to beat him and prove that despite the loss to Tracey he hasn't lost his touch.

    I think getting whacked on the back of the head with a steel bar usually results in death. Or at least a concussion.

    Tracy is so much more unhinged next time we see him with the impending Yang attack. Maybe some more time under the neural neutraliser?

    Maybe the Enterprise could stun the Yangs like they did the gangsters.

    So I assume the Yangs wiped out the Coms and their village? This is a really bloody episode even if we don't see most of it.

    Yanks and Coms, complete with an American flag. ANOTHER parallel Earth????

    Is Cloud William really going to believe Tracey after he's killed thousands of his people?

    "Is it not written that Good will out-Kirk Fu Evil?"

    What are the odds they actually have a bible with a picture of Satan looking like Spock? What am I saying, they have an American flag and a US constitution.

    I'm sure Spock picks Sirah to use the Force on randomly and not because she's only a woman with a weaker mind, right?

    Why didn't Cloud William make Tracey try to say the holy words?

    Kirk just happens to have the US Constitution memorized.

    So I see there was a need in the 60's to remind everyone that the constitution must count for everyone or it is meaningless. Shall I make a comment on how this relates in the US today? Nah.

    Kirk: "We merely showed them the meaning of what they were fighting for. Liberty and freedom have to be more than just words. Gentlemen, the fighting is over here. I suggest we leave them to discover their history and their liberty." What did I say earlier about Kirk weaseling out of the Prime Directive?

    It's a compelling episode. Once again Morgan Woodward gives a great performance and really makes the episode. Tracey is a very formidable villain who in some ways out-Kirks Kirk. Good stuff.

    I am reminded that Woodward just died in February at the age of 93. RIP to one with TWO memorable TOS performances.

    Alien Watch! Those wacky inhabitants of Omega IV!

    Season 1
    Talosians
    That big ugly Rigellian guy Pike fought in illusion
    Vina as an Orion girl in illusion
    Glimpse of other aliens captured by Talosians
    Ron Howard's brother
    That dog from Enemy Within
    Salt monster
    That hand plant...Gertrude
    Spock (duh)
    Charlie's parents (Thasians)*
    Romulans!
    (Ruk)
    Miri's planet kids (bonk bonk)
    Giant ape creatures of Taurus II
    Shore Leave Caretaker guy
    Trelaine and his folks*
    Gorn
    Metrons*
    The Lazerii
    The remarkably human-looking aliens of Beta 3. (RotA)
    The remarkably human-looking aliens of Emineminar VII (AToA)
    The Triffids of Omicron Ceti III (TSoP)
    The refreshingly non-human-looking Horta
    Organians*
    Klingons! (Remarkably human looking).
    (The Guardian of Forever)
    Flying pancakes

    Season 2
    Sylvia and Korob
    The Companion
    The remarkably human looking (though tall) Cappellans.
    Native Pollux IV-ians (Apollo and his gang)
    Full-blooded Vulcans
    The remarkably human looking citizens of Argelius II (WitF)
    Redjac
    The People of Vaal (Gamma Triangulians)
    Crew of the ISS Enterprise
    The remarkably human-looking** (except for maybe a dot on their forehead) Halkans
    Tribbles (not at all human looking)
    The remarkably human-looking citizens of...892-VI. Is that what they call this planet? (The Roman one.)
    Tall guys, short guys, Andorians, Tellurites, purple lady, Orion made up like an Andorian. (JtB)
    The remarkably human-looking people of Neural. (APLW)
    The awesome Mugato!
    Shahna, Lars, Tamoon, Kloog, Thrallmaster Galt, and the Providers
    The Cloud from the Tycho system.
    The BIG FREAKIN' AMEBA!!!!!
    The remarkably human-looking Iotians. (Gangsters)
    Kelvans! Who really look like big, cool squids but choose to look remarkably human.
    Sargon and the gang of not-quite-omnipotent aliens.
    Remarkably human looking Zeons of Zeon and Ekosians of Ekos. (PoF)
    The remarkably human looking Yangs and Coms of Omega IV.

    *Alien Watch sublist: omnipotent aliens!
    **By request
     
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  20. johnnybear

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    Tracey killed Galloway because he was going for his phaser! I doubt Tracey had been under the Neutral Neuralizer as he isn't Van Gelder and only looks like him to us, neither Kirk, Spock or McCoy notice any resemblance! And it's an episode that most people seem to dislike except myself! :techman:
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