Production Order Group Viewing 2018

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Archivist13, May 8, 2018.

  1. Maurice

    Maurice Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    Speaking of "Assignment: Earth" I happened upon Teri Garr's memoir in the public library recently, and there are a few pages devoted to her appearance in the episode, which I cited to create the following addition to her WIkipedia article (LINK):

    The same year she landed her first significant TV role, featured as secretary Roberta Lincoln in the Star Trek episode "Assignment: Earth", designed as a backdoor pilot episode for a new series which was not commissioned. "Star Trek was the first job where I had a fairly big (for me) speaking part," Garr related in her memoir, "I played Roberta Lincoln, a dippy secretary in a pink and orange costume with a very short skirt. Had the spin-off succeeded, I would have continued on as an earthling agent, working to preserve humanity. In a very short skirt." This led to her being, in her words, "cast as birdbrained lasses," in episodes of other TV shows.​

    She doesn't say anything bad about the experience, but from what she's said over the years it seems apparent she's glad the show wasn't picked up, possibly because she had a pretty great career after with a lot of good film roles and was not typecast the way a lot of actors in sci-fi shows have been.
     
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  2. Pauln6

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    Assignment Earth is an odd beast. I've never been a fan of time travel being simple or routine because it just makes storytelling nonsense. Robert Lansing is cool and intriguing but I think that Teri Gar is the wrong side of kooky and borderline annoying.

    One irritating thing is sending an alien to Earth when they don't have to. We all know Spock is cool but this is a planet occupied by actual humans rather than human-looking aliens. Spock should stay home and get Uhura down there saving the day instead.
     
  3. Mytran

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    One thing that's become increasingly annoying to me throughout Season Two is how often Kirk takes Spock and McCoy down with him for no good reason, especially with no supporting personnel.
    However, with A:E it does make a sort of sense that Kirk would limit his exposure to "ancient Earth" and take only his most versatile officer (i.e. Spock)
     
  4. Pauln6

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    Well, I guess he had just dumped the ship's historian on Ceti Alpha V...
     
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  5. Henoch

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    If they put pointy ears on Kirk to pass as Romulan, then why don't they bob Spock's ears for this mission? Then again, he was wearing a perfect disguise: a Russian hat. ;)
     
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  6. Phaser Two

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    Spock's hat, hood and helmet collection is a classic.
     
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  7. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    I kinda wish this had become a series if only to have there be a crossover with Here's Lucy. Gary calling the Unique Employment Agency for a substitute secretary (Lincoln having the flu or something) and having Lucy show up to fill the temp job would have been an ideal crossover.
     
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  8. johnnybear

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    If it had become a series then I doubt Star Trek would have had a season three! :confused:
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  9. Phaser Two

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    Oh, I dunno . . . but it certainly would have been interesting as a spinoff of Star Trek. The first one! Instead of that honor going to TNG a couple of decades or so later. :cardie:
     
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  10. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Commodore Commodore

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    I'm in the camp that does not like backdoor pilots. It's not the show you tuned in to see! Charlie's Angels did a backdoor called "Toni's Boys," about a female boss with three hunky, blow-dried male detectives working for her. It was an utterly superficial, cookie-cutter idea, and the execution was half-assed. Even for Charlie's Angels.

    The only time it works is when the characters to be spun off have been built up over multiple episodes of the main show, and you have more good material than that one show can use. It's very rare.
     
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  11. johnnybear

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    I've never heard of that one!!! Did it last long, Zap?
    JB
     
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  12. ZapBrannigan

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    No, "Toni's Boys" died a well-deserved death as that single episode of Charlie's Angels. It was an attempted business expansion, barely workmanlike, and in no way a credit to the art form.

    The best spin-offs happen when the new characters were never intended for a new show in the first place. They just turned out so good and developed so well that nobody could resist. The Bionic Woman worked. Laverne and Shirley worked. Frasier, The Jeffersons, and Angel (from Buffy) worked. They all began as guest stars or supporting characters, and their importance grew organically. The great ones start as art, and the business aspect follows. "Assignment: Earth" was not a great one.
     
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  13. plynch

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    Mork, too, in Col Green's uni from TOS!
     
  14. ZapBrannigan

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    Yeah, that was the actual costume from "The Savage Curtain"! I was amazed when I learned that. When Mork & Mindy went to series, tailor-made Mork costumes were created, and the new ones were a lighter shade of red, rather than bad-guy blood red.

    But I'm pretty sure Mork's appearance on Happy Days was a calculated effort to "backdoor" Robin Williams into his own sitcom as Mork. The producers were featuring this amazing new talent in a place the network couldn't miss.
     
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  15. Poltargyst

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    Spectre of the Gun

    And so it begins...Season 3. I was afraid there wouldn't be a Season 3. I'm glad that letter-writing campaign worked. I'm sure after all those letters, Season 3 will be the best season yet!

    Playing footsie with a probe again like in Corbomite Maneuver. Just don't shoot it! And they don't.

    "Our orders are very clear. We're to establish contact with the Melkotians whether they like it or not." Once again the Federation arrogantly sticks its nose in where it's not wanted. They are to make contact "at all costs." So if the Enterprise had been destroyed trying to make contact that would have been worth it to the Federation? Just why was it so important to the Federation to make contact with the Melkotians? If I was a cynical person, I might suspect the Melkotians had resources the Federation wanted to exploit.

    Nope, I'm not happy about the flying skull with glowing eyes that just appeared out of the mist to the landing party.

    This episode is so surreal. I could totally see it as a Twilight Zone episode. It definitely has that same vibe.

    Morgan Earp kills the man outside the saloon, and that convinces our heroes that death is real here. But we don't know that that guy or anything else here is real let alone knowing he really died. I'm sure that is to set the threat in the minds of the viewers so that we worry about our heroes as the episode goes on.

    Kirk...dude...no one here is going to see you as anything other than Ike Clanton. You're embarrassing yourself trying to convince people you're Kirk. It just seems unseemly for Kirk to be running around begging people for a way out of this.

    Once again, under pressure, McCoy is a dick to Spock about finding a way out of the situation. Spock merely says they don't know where the landing point is. KIRK says it could be anywhere in a thousand mile radius. But does McCoy bitch at Kirk? No, he bitches at Spock for no reason.

    I think Doc Holliday's gun would put more than one hole in McCoy's head.

    What is this, Game of Thrones, killing off a main character like Chekov?

    McCoy once again being a dick to Spock, this time about Spock not outwardly mourning Chekov and trying to..oh...SAVE THE REST OF THEIR LIVES instead. McCoy is seriously verbally abusive to Spock sometimes.

    Spock uses mind melds to help the others see through the Matrix.

    Spock can do all three mind melds in like a minute?

    I'm guessing there wasn't actually a thunderstorm happening during the fight at the OK Corral. Why did the Melkotians add one?

    Kirk goes for the Kirk Fu vs. Wyatt Earp! The flying dropkick! Repeated hammer fists to the back! Earp, like so many before him, cannot handle Kirk Fu!

    Actually, after the mind meld where they now know that nothing is real so that the bullets can't touch them, I'm surprised Kirk can make contact with Wyatt Earp or that they all still see the illusions at all.

    Now that I think about it, why did Spock ever see any of the illusion at all? I feel like he should have been puzzled, standing there looking at barren land while the other three ran around talking to characters who weren't there.

    Oh, what a cheat. Chekov didn't get a mind meld, but he didn't need one because he didn't believe it was real anyway even though the slightest doubt will kill? I had no idea Chekov's mind was as disciplined as Spock's.

    Once again Kirk shows mercy to an opponent and once again a high-level being is impressed. A happy ending with the Federation and Melkotians beginning talks.

    I'm seeing online that the actual gunfight only took 30 seconds. I guess no one stopped to have a Kirk Fu fight in the middle. Also, the weather was cold for Tombstone with snow flurries earlier in the day.

    DeForest Kelley was in the movie Gunfight at the OK Corral in 1957. He was an old hand at this.

    This was never one of my favorites though I know others like it.

    Death Match! Talosians vs. Melkotians! Who wins?

    Alien Watch! Melkotians! Not really omnipotent since it's all just illusion.

    Season 1
    Talosians
    That big ugly Rigellian guy Pike fought in illusion
    Vina as an Orion girl in illusion
    Glimpse of other aliens captured by Talosians
    Ron Howard's brother
    That dog from Enemy Within
    Salt monster
    That hand plant...Gertrude
    Spock (duh)
    Charlie's parents (Thasians)*
    Romulans!
    (Ruk)
    Miri's planet kids (bonk bonk)
    Giant ape creatures of Taurus II
    Shore Leave Caretaker guy
    Trelaine and his folks*
    Gorn
    Metrons*
    The Lazerii
    The remarkably human-looking aliens of Beta 3. (RotA)
    The remarkably human-looking aliens of Emineminar VII (AToA)
    The Triffids of Omicron Ceti III (TSoP)
    The refreshingly non-human-looking Horta
    Organians*
    Klingons! (Remarkably human looking).
    (The Guardian of Forever)
    Flying pancakes

    Season 2
    Sylvia and Korob
    The Companion
    The remarkably human looking (though tall) Cappellans.
    Native Pollux IV-ians (Apollo and his gang)
    Full-blooded Vulcans
    The remarkably human looking citizens of Argelius II (WitF)
    Redjac
    The People of Vaal (Gamma Triangulians)
    Crew of the ISS Enterprise
    The remarkably human-looking** (except for maybe a dot on their forehead) Halkans
    Tribbles (not at all human looking)
    The remarkably human-looking citizens of...892-VI. Is that what they call this planet? (The Roman one.)
    Tall guys, short guys, Andorians, Tellurites, purple lady, Orion made up like an Andorian. (JtB)
    The remarkably human-looking people of Neural. (APLW)
    The awesome Mugato!
    Shahna, Lars, Tamoon, Kloog, Thrallmaster Galt, and the Providers
    The Cloud from the Tycho system.
    The BIG FREAKIN' AMEBA!!!!!
    The remarkably human-looking Iotians. (Gangsters)
    Kelvans! Who really look like big, cool squids but choose to look remarkably human.
    Sargon and the gang of not-quite-omnipotent aliens.
    Remarkably human looking Zeons of Zeon and Ekosians of Ekos. (PoF)
    The remarkably human looking Yangs and Coms of Omega IV.
    Isis! Who looks remarkably like a cat until she wants to look remarkably human.

    Season 3
    The decidedly non-human looking Melkotians.

    *Alien Watch sublist: omnipotent aliens!
    **By request
     
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  16. J.T.B.

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    Agreed 100%. That Charlie's Angels was awful. Magnum P.I. did it too, a backdoor pilot about a pilot who crashed his plane in Hawaii. It seemed like Magnum and the gang were in one act, the rest was with the pilot back home in Texas. I watched the full hour and then thought "What the hell? I won't be watching that again this summer!"
     
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  17. Mytran

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    SPECTRE OF THE GUN

    Season 2 kicked things off with the Halloween themed episode. This time it’s a western. I can’t wait to see what they pull out of the bag in Season Four!

    Once again, the Enterprise is on direct orders to make contact with an alien race, regardless of whether that alien race’s wishes. It reminds me of A Taste Of Armageddon from Season One but far worse, since there’s not even a justification given this time. Speaking of that Season 1 episode, the moral at the end of the story is reminiscent of that as well. The writer of Spectre Of The Gun (some Johnny-come-lately called Lee Cronin) has no shame in reusing Gene Coon’s ideas! ;););)

    Finally (and although later revealed to be part of the illusion) it seems the crew were prepared to forcibly beam down to the Melkotian’s planet in direct opposition to the buoy’s instructions. This is not diplomacy, this is an invasion!
    Their punishment is wholeheartedly deserved. :thumbdown:

    Having said all that, once we get to the actual western adventure it’s quite enjoyable! The trope of the Enterprise being in danger is avoided entirely, as the highly advanced aliens provide both the isolation to the landing party as well as the ticking clock. And the surreal half finished landscape perfectly compliments the overall tone of the story. The entirely budget based decision to build a partial western town is a refreshing change to the cost cutting "empty Enterprise" that was so prominent in Season 2

    Rewatching this I realised I’d forgotten just how many attempts Kirk makes to nullify or avoid participating in the simulation/execution. He’s not some gung-ho adventurer looking to solve the situation using his own machismo (cough! Triskelion!), he’s a creative individual leading a crew of talented men (sadly, no Uhura).
    Also, while Spock’s magic powers are used to resolve the climax, they are only the final ingredient in entire landing party’s investigations which have involved everyone, to one degree or another.

    Other thoughts:
    • Kirk references both the “phaser crew” and “phaser guns” – it’s like being back in Season One again!
    • Chekov is now the romantic lead, it seems
    • Whereas Scotty has assumed the role of comic relief (and borderline alcoholic)
    • Although McCoy is unfairly grousy at Spock (noted by @Poltargyst ) Spock maintains his cool and is professional throughout. In fact, while constructing the grenade Spock actually compliments McCoy!
    • The special effects of the bullets passing through the landing party and exploding is a great moment!

    All in all, a promising start to Season 3

    I'm not sure these were complete mild melds, more like the hypnosis that Spock performed in Omega Glory and A Taste Of Armageddon (oh, for heaven's sake Lee Cronin!!!). After all, Spock doesn't remain touching them which is normally required for the full "mind on mind" action. All they needed was the mental discipline to know that what they were looking at might appear real, but was fake.
    That's my interpretation, anyway :techman:
     
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  18. Pauln6

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    I quite like Spectre of the Gun. I'd second the notion that the landing party needed Uhura or Chapel or some female to break up the sausage fest. Martha Landon might have been fun given what Chekov gets up to.

    I like the weird and trippy feel to the minimalist sets and I agree it has a strong Twilight Zone vibe. I do wish that they could have come up with a more original excuse to brave the planet. At least Arena added some variety to the excuse.
     
  19. Poltargyst

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    Elaan of Troyius

    This episode is called "Elaan of Troyius", but she's really Elaan of Elas. Until she marries the Troyian ruler anyway.

    Ambassaor Petri? It's Dr. Shrinker! Dr. Shrinker! He's a madman with an evil mind! (If you get that reference you watched too many Saturday morning kids shows in the 70's.) And don't even get me started on Electra Woman and Dyna Girl.

    Why doesn't Kirk know who the Dohlman is before she comes aboard? Doesn't Kirk get briefed when he's assigned these missions?

    Why is it necessary for Uhura to vacate her quarters? There always seem to be extra rooms in other episodes. Maybe there's an unusual number of guests from Elas and Troyius aboard? Where does Uhura stay while Elaan is in her quarters?

    Why is Elaan so difficult? So I assume she wants no part of marrying the Troyian ruler and is being forced into it?

    Shades of Journey to Babel. We have delegates on board and a mysterious ship out there. The initial cat and mouse, wondering if what's following them is a real ship or a reflection reminds me of Balance of Terror.

    But it's a Klingon ship! Ba Ba Baaaaaaaaaa!

    I love how Kirk was about to punch the goon who put his hand on him regardless of how much bigger he was.

    Dr. Shrinker is a real brat blaming Kirk for his getting stabbed like that. But he is an madman with an evil mind.

    Hmmmm, Kryton's up to no good. He just killed this week's disposable redshirt!

    Whoa, those tears are really fast acting.

    Given the effect of Elasian women's tears on men, how are the women not totally ruling Elas? Or do they?

    Er...cancel that mind meld, Spock. Kryton has just left the building. Should I be surprised that Kirk was casually ordering Spock to do a mind meld which is supposed to be a terribly personal act on a strange alien saboteur?

    "Forget what happened?" Did Kirk and Elaas....um...DO IT??????

    The Klingon was following them at a snail's pace then is going Warp 6. How far away were they that it takes them that long to get to the Enterprise at Warp 6?

    Sickbay is the best-protected part of the ship.

    The turbolift goes horizontally and vertically. Neat.

    They can't generate enough power to fire weapons without dilithium crystals? Impulse power's not enough?

    Look, Dr. Shrinker, McCoy has pulled off bigger miracles than curing Elasian women's tear love potions, so why don't you back up out of his grill? Apparently he doesn't know about McCoy curing the Naked Time thing in 20 minutes.

    Kirk baits the Klingon, another callback to JTB.

    I'm not clear on how many torpedoes actually hit the Klingon ship. One hits directly amidships, the other two might hit their shields. At any rate, a Federation Connie without dilithium crystals can take more hits than an fully-powered Klingon battlecruiser. Of course in The Changeling we learn that the Enterprises's shields can take hits the equivalent of 90 photon torpedoes, so...

    "I have only responsibilities and obligations." Kirk knows the feeling and he looks as lonely as she does.

    Once again we learn that Kirk's love of the Enterprise makes him immune to any mind-altering substance including drugs, spores, diseases, magic, fairy dust, etc.

    That Klingon was a real piker compared to the Kors and Kangs and Koloths of the Empire. No wonder he goes nameless, Captain Loser McLoserson. Although in fairness, Koloth ended up with a ship full of tribbles which had to be hard to live down.

    I just realized that neither Kor or Kang or Koloth actually lost to Kirk (except for the tribble thing). Capt. Loser McLoserson nameless Klingon will be sorely taunted when he gets home.

    It would be cool in later episodes to see Elaan's dagger in Kirk's quarters sometimes.

    This episodes gets panned, often due to the un-feminist themes, but I liked it. I end up liking Elaan, the sabotage plot is interesting, the battle good and exciting. It's a good episode.

    Alien Watch! Troyians and Elasians, baby.

    Season 1
    Talosians
    That big ugly Rigellian guy Pike fought in illusion
    Vina as an Orion girl in illusion
    Glimpse of other aliens captured by Talosians
    Ron Howard's brother
    That dog from Enemy Within
    Salt monster
    That hand plant...Gertrude
    Spock (duh)
    Charlie's parents (Thasians)*
    Romulans!
    (Ruk)
    Miri's planet kids (bonk bonk)
    Giant ape creatures of Taurus II
    Shore Leave Caretaker guy
    Trelaine and his folks*
    Gorn
    Metrons*
    The Lazerii
    The remarkably human-looking aliens of Beta 3. (RotA)
    The remarkably human-looking aliens of Emineminar VII (AToA)
    The Triffids of Omicron Ceti III (TSoP)
    The refreshingly non-human-looking Horta
    Organians*
    Klingons! (Remarkably human looking).
    (The Guardian of Forever)
    Flying pancakes

    Season 2
    Sylvia and Korob
    The Companion
    The remarkably human looking (though tall) Cappellans.
    Native Pollux IV-ians (Apollo and his gang)
    Full-blooded Vulcans
    The remarkably human looking citizens of Argelius II (WitF)
    Redjac
    The People of Vaal (Gamma Triangulians)
    Crew of the ISS Enterprise
    The remarkably human-looking** (except for maybe a dot on their forehead) Halkans
    Tribbles (not at all human looking)
    The remarkably human-looking citizens of...892-VI. Is that what they call this planet? (The Roman one.)
    Tall guys, short guys, Andorians, Tellurites, purple lady, Orion made up like an Andorian. (JtB)
    The remarkably human-looking people of Neural. (APLW)
    The awesome Mugato!
    Shahna, Lars, Tamoon, Kloog, Thrallmaster Galt, and the Providers
    The Cloud from the Tycho system.
    The BIG FREAKIN' AMEBA!!!!!
    The remarkably human-looking Iotians. (Gangsters)
    Kelvans! Who really look like big, cool squids but choose to look remarkably human.
    Sargon and the gang of not-quite-omnipotent aliens.
    Remarkably human looking Zeons of Zeon and Ekosians of Ekos. (PoF)
    The remarkably human looking Yangs and Coms of Omega IV.
    Isis! Who looks remarkably like a cat until she wants to look remarkably human.

    Season 3
    The decidedly non-human looking Melkotians.
    The remarkably human-looking Elasians and not so human looking Troyians.

    *Alien Watch sublist: omnipotent aliens!
    **By request
     
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  20. Phaser Two

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    I really, really like SotG for its surrealist take on the Melkots' telepathy and the conclusion. It's a great, great Spock episode, and Shatner is really enjoyable with his acting choices and physicality at the end. But it's a bit repetitive in its themes and the dialogue really falls down at some points. Not Gene L. Coon's finest hour but then, didn't they cobble this together from one of his outlines or something? If so, that explains much. A mixed bag. It comes off far better in isolation than it does if you've recently watched Arena and many other episodes as part of a rewatch. Still a top 50 for me, though.

    Oh, and as an equipment devotee, the landing party's choices really bug me. Only Spock has a tricorder, which makes little sense. Chekov at least needed one, and probably Scotty too. I never liked it when McCoy went sans tricorder either.