Prime A, B, and Kelvin

[Bry_Sinclair]

Prime: TOS, TOS Movies, TNG, TNG Movies, DS9, VOY

Alt prime: ENT, NuTrek
Alt Timeline: NuTrek

"Reboot": STD

All events taking place in the NuTrek films take place in an alternate 'prime' universe from which the altered timeline split off from, and since it's referred to in that universe but not the Prime one then ENT is also included there. STD is a thing unto itself where evolutionary paths took different turns and Starfleet hired a different batch of designers.

 

[F. King Daniel]

it's not as if Judy Garland's Dorothy is going to show up in Sam Raimi's Oz. They're distinctly different versions. Your examples are of fantasy settings, but really... in science-fictional terms, what is a "different version" other than an "alternate reality"? Same difference.

THIS. We're never going to see TOS Klingons or the classic version of the Enterprise in DSC, and vice-versa. They're different versions of the same thing, thus alternate in RL terms, whatever they pretend in-universe.

 

[Donker]

To me Discovery is clearly a reboot, but I will consider it "Soft canon" like also many elements in TOS and TAS.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

What does that have to do with your assertion that Star Trek is essentially the Disney version of the "real" Enterprise's five year mission?

I was responding to the assertion that some of the TOS stories were too graphic for children.
Nah, not nearly as graphic as the original stories.
Heck, not as graphic as Doctor Who, which the BBC still considers a kids' program.

 

[BillJ]

I’m guessing you haven’t been familiarized with the uncensored versions of the Grimm fairy tales. We live in a brief Disney Age, when parents fear telling their kids about the universe’s nastiness and indifference.

I've seen plenty of Veggie Tales. I love the ones where the cucumber attempts to rape the tomato.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

I've seen plenty of Veggie Tales. I love the ones where the cucumber attempts to rape the tomato.

In the original version, he does it in the tomato's sleep, and even that doesn't wake the tomato up. Neither does the birth of the twins. It's only when they climb up the tomato's body, looking for their first sip of juice...

 

[BillJ]

To me Discovery is clearly a reboot, but I will consider it "Soft canon" like also many elements in TOS and TAS.

It's all "canon". The look of TOS is canon, as is the look of Discovery. So, for me, that means they take place in different realities.

 

[cosmic mouse]

Marty: "I don't get it. It's like we're in Hell or something!"

Doc: "No, it's Hill Valley, although I can't imagine Hell being much worse! I'm sorry, Einie, the lab is an awful, awful, awful mess!"

Doc (continuing): "Obviously the timeline has been disrupted, creating a new temporal event sequence, resulting in this Alternate Reality."

Marty: "English Doc!"

Doc (writing on a chalk board): "Here, here, here! Let me illustrate. Imagine that this line represents time: the future, the present, the past. Part of this point in time, somewhere in the past, the timeline skewed into a tangent, creating an Alternate 1985. Alternate to you, me, and Einstein, but reality for everyone else."

Doc (pulling out something): "Recognize this? It's the bag the sports book came in. I know because the receipt was still inside. I found them in the time machine... along with THIS!"

Marty: "It's the top of Biff's cane. I mean Old Biff, from the future!"

Doc: "Correct! It was in the time machine because Biff was in the time machine, with the Sports Almanac! You see, while we were in the future, Biff got the sports book, stole the time machine, went back in time and gave the book to himself at some point in the past."

Doc (reaching for Newspapers): "Look! It says right here that Biff made his first million dollar betting on a horse race in 1958. He wasn't just lucky. He knew because he had all the race results in the Sports Almanac! That's how he made his entire fortune! Look at his pocket with the magnifying glass."

Marty: "The Almanac. Son of a bitch! Stole my idea! He must've been listening when... It's my fault. The whole thing is my fault! If I hadn't bought that damn book, none of this would've ever happened!"

Doc: "It's all in the past."

Marty: "You mean the future."

Doc: "Whatever! It demonstrates precisely how time travel can be misused and why the time machine must be destroyed after we straighten all of this out."

Marty: "Right, so we go back to the future and we stop Biff from stealing the time machine!"

Doc: "We can't because if we travel into the future from this point in time it will be future of THIS reality! A reality in which Biff is corrupt, and powerful, and married to your mother, and in which this has happened to me!" (Doc holds up a newspaper that says he's been committed)

Doc (continuing): "No. The only way to repair the present is in the past, at the point in which the timeline skewed into this tangent! In order put the universe back as we remember it and get back to our reality, we have to figure out the exact date and the specific circumstances of how, where, and when Young Biff got his hands on that Sports Almanac."

Marty: "I'll ask him."

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[1001001]

It's all "canon". The look of TOS is canon, as is the look of Discovery. So, for me, that means they take place in different realities.

Yeah, since about episode 4 or 5, I just have assumed that Discovery takes place in an alternate universe (whatever the cause of that).

There's no way they get from where they are to TOS in 9 years.

Which is fine with me. I like Discovery a lot. But if it can't be reconciled with what we know from TOS, then the obvious answer is it's a different reality.

And with that...I'm out of here.

 

[BillJ]

Your picture tells the story for me. They have probably the single biggest "advance" in Trek's history. Something that would be interesting to explore, but it simply has to be written out because "superfans" have decided to try and cram their story into the TOS continuity.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

What. The. Hell. Is. THAT?!?!?!?!

When did Trek ships have BSG jump abilities?

 

[Lord Garth]

Ohhhhhhhhh, I think someone (and possibly several lurkers) just found about this for the first time.

I guess you guys will just have to watch to find out.

 

[ChristopherPike]

You're looking at Starfleet's one and only displacement activated spore hub drive.

I'd polarise your hull plating and prime your phase cannons, if I were you. You'll only get one shot. So make it count.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

You're picture tells the story for me. They have probably the single biggest "advance" in Trek's history. Something that would be interesting to explore, but it simply has to be written out because "superfans" have decided to try and cram their story into the TOS continuity.

Or, it's going to take more than the first season to figure out what's horribly WRONG with it.
Like how long it took most humans to realize that burning fossil fuels causes environmental issues.

(OK. I've only seen the first 6 episodes, I can already tell SOMETHING odd is up with Stamets since he got "involved" with how the drive works, maybe they did already?)

 

[The Wormhole]

When did Trek ships have BSG jump abilities?

When they began being powered by Magic Mushrooms. And no, that's not a joke or exaggeration.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

When they began being powered by Magic Mushrooms. And no, that's not a joke or exaggeration.

Ok that is the first time something about STD sounds like it harks back to the 60s

 

[Kronos]

Far out drive.