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Poll: Do Star Trek fans believe in a Supreme Being?

From Walter Isaacson's recent biography of Einstein:

Einstein embraced his [Spinoza's] concept of an amorphous God reflected in the awe-inspiring beauty...of nature's laws. But like Spinoza, Einstein did not believe in a personal God who rewarded and punished and intervened in our daily lives (p. 84).

For this reason, Einstein had a terrible time accepting the idea of quantum mechanics. It differed with his idea of ultimately knowable and imutable laws of nature -- hence his idea that God did not play dice with the universe by allowing events to be random or undetermined. Quantum physics shows Einstein's overall view to be incorrect.
 
It's funny because if I close my eyes and think of a mental image of 'God' I don't see a wizened old man with white beard. I see a young version of my Dad! It's the whole Father, Son & Holy Sprit speeches I heard as a young child. I was the son, I had a father. Never figured out who the Holy Spirt is though!

Anyway, yes I do believe there is more to existence than what we live now, someone (or something) had to create it. But who created the creator?
 
I went to a small Catholic high school, with classes taught by nuns. One such class focused on Greek mythology. Early into the semester--maybe even the first day--after talking about this god and that god, finally one kid named Charley (a tough kid and not exactly considered the brightest bulb in the room), who had been shifting uncomfortably in his seat, tentatively asked the teacher "What happened to them?" The teacher, sounding slightly confused, asked "What happened to who?" "All these gods," said Charley. He wasn't being a smartass, he was asking an honest question. The teacher of course proceeded to explain that "these were myths" and not real, and of course the rest of the class, myself included, thought "what a dope."

Looking back, however, it was probably one of the most (perhaps unintentially) astute questions I ever heard asked at that school, and one us more learned kids never would have asked since we already *knew* these were "myths." The ancient Greeks, of course, didn't see it that way: they were dead sure their gods were real, so much so that the ancient general Xenophon, for example, actually stopped his army and had his priests sacrifice a goat and read the entrails to get some guidance on whether or not to risk a river-crossing--while they were under attack and fleeing far superior forces.

The point being, of course, that the ancient Greeks--and the strong adherents of every religion past, present, and future--are/will be certain of the truth of their particular and often incompatible convictions, so anyone making an argument for any one religion based upon the strength of their belief is certainly welcome to their opinion, but they shouldn't be surprised or offended when a non-believer is skeptical and asks for proof.
 
Rarewolf said:
Anyway, yes I do believe there is more to existence than what we live now, someone (or something) had to create it. But who created the creator?

Actually, no one can authoritatively state that someone (or something) had to create the universe. We are all prejudiced by the laws of physics which exist WITHIN our universe. The universe came into being in accordance with some principle which exists OUTSIDE it. We know nothing of what exists outside the universe. Therefor, we cannot reason that the existence of the universe required ANY causative action at all.
 
Auroratrek said:
I went to a small Catholic high school, with classes taught by nuns. One such class focused on Greek mythology. Early into the semester--maybe even the first day--after talking about this god and that god, finally one kid named Charley (a tough kid and not exactly considered the brightest bulb in the room), who had been shifting uncomfortably in his seat, tentatively asked the teacher "What happened to them?" The teacher, sounding slightly confused, asked "What happened to who?" "All these gods," said Charley. He wasn't being a smartass, he was asking an honest question. The teacher of course proceeded to explain that "these were myths" and not real, and of course the rest of the class, myself included, thought "what a dope."

Looking back, however, it was probably one of the most (perhaps unintentially) astute questions I ever heard asked at that school, and one us more learned kids never would have asked since we already *knew* these were "myths." The ancient Greeks, of course, didn't see it that way: they were dead sure their gods were real, so much so that the ancient general Xenophon, for example, actually stopped his army and had his priests sacrifice a goat and read the entrails to get some guidance on whether or not to risk a river-crossing--while they were under attack and fleeing far superior forces.

The point being, of course, that the ancient Greeks--and the strong adherents of every religion past, present, and future--are/will be certain of the truth of their particular and often incompatible convictions, so anyone making an argument for any one religion based upon the strength of their belief is certainly welcome to their opinion, but they shouldn't be surprised or offended when a non-believer is skeptical and asks for proof.

So well put. :)
 
As for an "image" of God, I have two.

My main "image" of God is a Trek-like almighty energy being that actually can't be seen since he doesn't physically exist in the universe as we know. The mass of energy is without form; without limit, and without a sex. But in thought, he has a lot in common with humans, since we are designed based on him.

The second image I have of God (which is a lot easier to comprehend) is a 1st century middle-eastern human.

Just my opinion.
 
Plum said:
Auroratrek said:
I went to a small Catholic high school, with classes taught by nuns. One such class focused on Greek mythology. Early into the semester--maybe even the first day--after talking about this god and that god, finally one kid named Charley (a tough kid and not exactly considered the brightest bulb in the room), who had been shifting uncomfortably in his seat, tentatively asked the teacher "What happened to them?" The teacher, sounding slightly confused, asked "What happened to who?" "All these gods," said Charley. He wasn't being a smartass, he was asking an honest question. The teacher of course proceeded to explain that "these were myths" and not real, and of course the rest of the class, myself included, thought "what a dope."

Looking back, however, it was probably one of the most (perhaps unintentially) astute questions I ever heard asked at that school, and one us more learned kids never would have asked since we already *knew* these were "myths." The ancient Greeks, of course, didn't see it that way: they were dead sure their gods were real, so much so that the ancient general Xenophon, for example, actually stopped his army and had his priests sacrifice a goat and read the entrails to get some guidance on whether or not to risk a river-crossing--while they were under attack and fleeing far superior forces.

The point being, of course, that the ancient Greeks--and the strong adherents of every religion past, present, and future--are/will be certain of the truth of their particular and often incompatible convictions, so anyone making an argument for any one religion based upon the strength of their belief is certainly welcome to their opinion, but they shouldn't be surprised or offended when a non-believer is skeptical and asks for proof.

So well put. :)

Except you gotta really wish some smart aleck in class would've said, "I know what happened to Adonais. Spock took away his powers." The nun would've frowned and said the student knows that really didn't happen. To which the kid replies, "Yes it did, ma'am. It happened on TV, so it's CANON!"
 
Franklin said:
Plum said:
Auroratrek said:
I went to a small Catholic high school, with classes taught by nuns. One such class focused on Greek mythology. Early into the semester--maybe even the first day--after talking about this god and that god, finally one kid named Charley (a tough kid and not exactly considered the brightest bulb in the room), who had been shifting uncomfortably in his seat, tentatively asked the teacher "What happened to them?" The teacher, sounding slightly confused, asked "What happened to who?" "All these gods," said Charley. He wasn't being a smartass, he was asking an honest question. The teacher of course proceeded to explain that "these were myths" and not real, and of course the rest of the class, myself included, thought "what a dope."

Looking back, however, it was probably one of the most (perhaps unintentially) astute questions I ever heard asked at that school, and one us more learned kids never would have asked since we already *knew* these were "myths." The ancient Greeks, of course, didn't see it that way: they were dead sure their gods were real, so much so that the ancient general Xenophon, for example, actually stopped his army and had his priests sacrifice a goat and read the entrails to get some guidance on whether or not to risk a river-crossing--while they were under attack and fleeing far superior forces.

The point being, of course, that the ancient Greeks--and the strong adherents of every religion past, present, and future--are/will be certain of the truth of their particular and often incompatible convictions, so anyone making an argument for any one religion based upon the strength of their belief is certainly welcome to their opinion, but they shouldn't be surprised or offended when a non-believer is skeptical and asks for proof.

So well put. :)

Except you gotta really wish some smart aleck in class would've said, "I know what happened to Adonais. Spock took away his powers." The nun would've frowned and said the student knows that really didn't happen. To which the kid replies, "Yes it did, ma'am. It happened on TV, so it's CANON!"
:lol:
 
Yes, I believe in God who loves us and wants as all saved.

I know there are many moments in my life, when I could feel the outside helpful influence, you couldn't just call plain luck or coincidence.

I know someone there loves me, and everyone else.
 
I'm sort of in-between answers 1 and 2. There appears to have been a time when the Grand Architect of the Universe played a pivotal role in human development many centuries ago, but seems to have been somewhat hands-off in recent years. I still answered #1, though. You never know when the Big Guy is going to show up again.
 
Since I have absolutely no idea what's out there, I don't have an opinion. Agnostic I guess.
 
It seems quite clear to me that some "original/supreme" intelligence(s) are responsible for the construction of reality as we know it. Given the subject its due consideration, it is my conclusion that the Judeo-Christian god is said intelligence. Therefore, I am Christian, though my understanding of the revelation of scripture is at odds with the popular understanding of most Jews and Christians.
 
Kenobi said:
It seems quite clear to me that some "original/supreme" intelligence(s) are responsible for the construction of reality as we know it. Given the subject its due consideration, it is my conclusion that the Judeo-Christian god is said intelligence. Therefore, I am Christian, though my understanding of the revelation of scripture is at odds with the popular understanding of most Jews and Christians.

Wow, interesting. So you decided that there's a supreme being out of thin air, and then decided after what you call due consideration that it's the Judeo-Christian god... even while you say that Judeo-Christianity is poppycock because you don't believe the bible.

Magnificent!

Stupendous!

Now that's a consideration and level of logic that I'd like explained! First, explain how came to the conclusion that it was the Judeo-Christian god, and not, oh, I don't know, Zeus, Odin, Vishnu, or for that matter the god based on the exact same god, Allah? And then, when you're done with that, please explain how afterwards you decided that all the information that tells you who or what or how his god is - is wrong - but you're idea of this illusive 'god' is still the Judeo-Christian one.

While you're busy, what IS your idea of this god then, if the bible is wrong?
 
3D Master said:Wow, interesting. So you decided that there's a supreme being out of thin air

I wouldn't quite call it "out of thin air." I suppose you're free to, though.

and then decided after what you call due consideration that it's the Judeo-Christian god... even while you say that Judeo-Christianity is poppycock because you don't believe the bible.

Just for clarification, I didn't say I didn't believe it, I said that my understanding of the ideas it's conveying are different than what is the common understanding.

Magnificent!

Stupendous!

I thank you for the complimentary adulation, but it was a rather easy task. Well, mind-bogglingly difficult, actually- but I suppose it's all relative.

Now that's a consideration and level of logic that I'd like explained!

To what end?
 
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